This scary graph shows how many South Africans are emigrating to New Zealand

[BandwidthAddict]

This is not scary. It is for those who never thought this would happen and those who do not understand how an economy works. This was expected and predicted all along. You can see the consequences in the private sector. You can see the consequences in declining tax revenue. You can see the consequences in governments' ability to render services. South Africa has crossed the threshold of no return. It is game over for the country. It has fallen already, but the effects will only be felt in about 25 years from now.

Not 25 years. The effects are cumulative so it will go from slowly devolving to suddenly dropping off a cliff pretty quickly.

I give it no more than 10 with a high probability of 7 years to fail fully.

 

[GhostSixFour]

That Brakpan home fight video had more than 5....

Yeah, but they're leaving Monday.

 

[GhostSixFour]

3 percent unemployment and a massive skills shortage. Also there's a general shortage of middle aged people.

I know someone that is a qualified electrical engineer with an MBA that cashed out his pension to go there, effectively used it all up trying to get a position and had to come back starting at scratch - but at least he was able to get a job here.

What the full story is, I suppose no-one will ever know. Also, he is middle aged.

And if the skills shortage keeps on getting supplemented with Saffers, it won't be a shortage for that much longer will it?

 

[cguy]

I know someone that is a qualified electrical engineer with an MBA that cashed out his pension to go there, effectively used it all up trying to get a position and had to come back starting at scratch - but at least he was able to get a job here.

What the full story is, I suppose no-one will ever know. Also, he is middle aged.

It’s often not a good sign when an engineer gets an MBA. It frequently means that their career never really took off, and they are looking at then MBA as a way to progress. I have only once worked for a manager with an MBA (also elec eng by training) and he was awful at both engineering and managing. In contrast, in the US, almost all the managers I know of were engineers, and none had MBAs - they just proved to be competent leaders and thus became managers. So somewhat anecdotal, but I do know a lot of managers in tech, and none of them have MBAs.

And if the skills shortage keeps on getting supplemented with Saffers, it won't be a shortage for that much longer will it?

It may actually create even more shortage. The US has been importing 100’s of thousands of people every year for decades, and it has massively grown the local engineering and tech industries, creating more demand.

 

[LazyLion]

Tried to book an appointment for an American VISA application yesterday, the first available date is 2 December.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

what's it doing to the job market on the receiving end? I mean NZ only has a population of 5mil. So this influx of saffers must be pushing their wages down a bit.

Many countries, including NZ, have protectionist immigration laws to guard against this. You can't get a long term critical skills visa for example if your salary is below a certain threshold, that's there to prevent immigrants form undercutting locals in terms of salary.

 

[Quicks]

Time to get my British passport sorted.

 

[samuelp]

That much about trusting the Condom Tester to fix South Africa.
Nevermind New Zealand. There are almost 200.000 South Africans living in Australia??? How many whites are left in South Africa?

Do you think Whites are the only expats ? At least 50% of recent expats are black professionals.

 

[ponder]

And if the skills shortage keeps on getting supplemented with Saffers, it won't be a shortage for that much longer will it?

Is their economy contracting or growing, in a growing economy it won't be an issue.

 

[Enzo Matrix]

Did the NZ skilled visa migration assessment and passed. This could be something for me

 

[ForceFate]

Do you think Whites are the only expats ? At least 50% of recent expats are black professionals.

You haven't met our old friend, have you?

 

[samuelp]

You haven't met our old friend, have you?

In fact I know personally quite a few expats. Most of them are black professionals, females and males living in France, Belgium, UK and Germany. I don't know for NZ and AUS but I would be surprise if the figure differs. Off-course these are great farmers resettling in Russia and other part of the world where they are 100% white. As you know, every country wants to attract Afrikaner farmers due to their skills and ability to transform a desert to a productive farmland.

 

[ISP cash cow]

That much about trusting the Condom Tester to fix South Africa.
Nevermind New Zealand. There are almost 200.000 South Africans living in Australia??? How many whites are left in South Africa?

I can't seem to find in the article that it stipulates that all those emigrating were white.

Or do you think that it is only white professionals who are emigrating in order to make a better life for their children and family in a safe country?

the economics and current situation of this country affect all people of all colours, and if you are educated and have the skills and have the opportunity, no matter what the colour of your skin is, you are going to take the opportunity.

 

[ForceFate]

In fact I know personally quite a few expats. Most of them are black professionals, females and males living in France, Belgium, UK and Germany. I don't know for NZ and AUS but I would be surprise if the figure differs. Off-course these are great farmers resettling in Russia and other part of the world where they are 100% white. As you know, every country wants to attract Afrikaner farmers due to their skills and ability to transform a desert to a productive farmland.

True. Take nothing from them, they have passion and skill for the trade.
Yep. I know a few guys (White, black, Indian) in Germany, UK, Canada, US, France, Danmark, Aus, Saudi and Portugal, etc. Some left recently.

 

[Vrotappel]

It costs about R7 000 000 to get an investor visa for NZ. Our currency is worth nothing.

 

[ɹǝuuᴉM]

Do you think Whites are the only expats ? At least 50% of recent expats are black professionals.

Reliable Link? Preferably non South African.( ANC or Eff linked)

 

[Milano]

It costs about R7 000 000 to get an investor visa for NZ. Our currency is worth nothing.

If I recall correctly someone mentioned a small business or entrepreneurial visa for around 900k. Personally I have no interest in NZ though.

 

[Sinbad]

If I recall correctly someone mentioned a small business or entrepreneurial visa for around 900k. Personally I have no interest in NZ though.

It costs about R7 000 000 to get an investor visa for NZ. Our currency is worth nothing.

NZ is not really interested in entrepreneurs at the moment. They already have a skill shortage, creating more job opportunities just makes that worse.

 

[buka001]

It’s often not a good sign when an engineer gets an MBA. It frequently means that their career never really took off, and they are looking at then MBA as a way to progress. I have only once worked for a manager with an MBA (also elec eng by training) and he was awful at both engineering and managing. In contrast, in the US, almost all the managers I know of were engineers, and none had MBAs - they just proved to be competent leaders and thus became managers. So somewhat anecdotal, but I do know a lot of managers in tech, and none of them have MBAs.



It may actually create even more shortage. The US has been importing 100’s of thousands of people every year for decades, and it has massively grown the local engineering and tech industries, creating more demand.

Yes, I have found that the engineers that run off to do an MBA are sometimes really bad at managing and they are hoping that it will give them the edge that they lack.

Sometimes.

Anecdotally, the best managers I know in construction, do not have an MBA. They are running a global construction business in some extremely challenging markets (like SA) and are still turning good profit.

 

[ɹǝuuᴉM]

NZ is not really interested in entrepreneurs at the moment. They already have a skill shortage, creating more job opportunities just makes that worse.

This people should stay in South Africa and create the much needed jobs ASAP!