Throwing the little guy under the EWC bus – Frans Cronjé

[Jabulani22]

What don't you understand about having BOTH?

Like I said, how many preppers do you know? What about anyone that plans for shtf scenarios? No? So how are you going to count on them when things get bad. They will hide their stores, not advertise them, so you'll never know they exist.

And if you plan on taking stuff by force then you are an ahole who deserves to be shot in the opening round of a shtf event. And don't expect to get those stolen resources without a fight. Preppers are usually armed and ready.

I see you dont address the point of moving all these supplies , that requires even more planning but hey you do you .
Also i never said start looting i said look to how the mil. units behind enemy lines do it , while you advocate sweets n wheat , yeah brass is better , cope with it .

 

[SoldierMan]

I see you dont address the point of moving all these supplies , that requires even more planning but hey you do you .
Also i never said start looting i said look to how the mil. units behind enemy lines do it , while you advocate sweets n wheat , yeah brass is better , cope with it .

Yeah because you can eat brass all day long
Sweets are for pleasure, not a necessity, they will get left behind if we have to move. If we don't well we get to eat sweets and the children have a little sweet occasionally to lighten the mood.

I don't plan on moving, but if I have to, I have a plan. Do you have any plan in place other than I can shoot my way out of it?

 

[Jabulani22]

Yeah because you can eat brass all day long
Sweets are for pleasure, not a necessity, they will get left behind if we have to move. If we don't well we get to eat sweets and the children have a little sweet occasionally to lighten the mood.

I don't plan on moving, but if I have to, I have a plan. Do you have anything in place other than I can shoot my way out of it?

Now why would i explain what i plan to do to someone who is gonna park off and watch the t-20 during land grabs ?
I'll get by , with minimal need to lug every day comforts around.
Make sure you rent a trailer for all the water you are going to be carrying if you need to move.

 

[SoldierMan]

Now why would i explain what i plan to do to someone who is gonna park off and watch the t-20 during land grabs ?
I'll get by , with minimal need to lug every day comforts around.
Make sure you rent a trailer for all the water you are going to be carrying if you need to move.

Already sorted on that front, but thanks for the advice... you on the other hand won't survive a month I reckon without resorting to desperate measures. Unless you're planning on moving to the woods and live off the wildlife for food and rivers for water.

 

[Jabulani22]

Already sorted on that front, but thanks for the advice... you on the other hand won't survive a month I reckon without resorting to desperate measures. Unless you're planning on moving to the woods and live off the wildlife for food and rivers for water.

Minimal supplies ...........for a guy named soldier man , you depart pretty quickly from mil. doctrine.

 

[SoldierMan]

Minimal supplies ...........for a guy named soldier man , you depart pretty quickly from mil. doctrine.

Minimal supplies means minimal life expectancy. This is not a military operation, it's a survival operation. There's a difference.

 

[Jabulani22]

Minimal supplies means minimal life expectancy. This is not a military operation, it's a survival operation. There's a difference.

Survival is covered under military practice and with fewer resources , thought you would know that ?
Also i never said id be looting i said being armed is a definite lever during trade and its not morally wrong to EWC ungaurded caches of the enemy while you are armed.

 

[SoldierMan]

Survival is covered under military practice and with fewer resources , thought you would know that ?
Also i never said id be looting i said being armed is a definite lever during trade and its not morally wrong to EWC ungaurded caches of the enemy while you are armed.

You are relying on something/someone that you have NO WAY of guaranteeing will being there when you need it. Good luck with that.

Like I said you will last about a month on your own, with family in tow, even less time.

 

[Jabulani22]

You are relying on something/someone that you have NO WAY of guaranteeing will being there when you need it. Good luck with that.

Like I said you will last about a month on your own, with family in tow, even less time.

And you are relying on nobody coming along to your defense position , the whole point of it being moot because land will be EWC'ed , actually possesions .
Seems like you are going to be burnt out of a defensive position then at the mercy of the diplomats doing such.

 

[SoldierMan]

And you are relying on nobody coming along to your defense position , the whole point of it being moot because land will be EWC'ed , actually possesions .
Seems like you are going to be burnt out of a defensive position then at the mercy of the diplomats doing such.

I never said anything about my defence position.
But having said all that I hope you make the right decisions and it pays off for you.

 

[Corelli]

Alas we dont have the american or asian system. Here if you owed any money and they take your house you are still liable even if new people moved in. Why? Because the banks are greedy and was always weary of the risk of expropriation. So they got together and wrote it in contracts that even if the government takes properties then they still get their money. So its a win win situation for the banks and not the consumer

 

[SoldierMan]

Alas we dont have the american or asian system. Here if you owed any money and they take your house you are still liable even if new people moved in. Why? Because the banks are greedy and was always weary of the risk of expropriation. So they got together and wrote it in contracts that even if the government takes properties then they still get their money. So its a win win situation for the banks and not the consumer

I'm sure the courts will have something to say about that. Just because it's in a contract doesn't make it legal, that has already been established.

 

[MidnightWizard]

It seems like you were quite excited when writing this. I suppose we do have to reach the very bottom before we can come up again :-/

When you go down you go to DAVY JONES Locker
There is NO "coming-up-again" ...

 

[MidnightWizard]

I never said anything about my defence position.
But having said all that I hope you make the right decisions and it pays off for you.

People need to look at what happened in the past

The Eastern Cape Frontier Wars (1779 - 1878 )
The South African War ( 1899 - 1902 )
The Rhodesian War ( 1965 - 1979 )

See South African War for difficulties of -- "living off the land "

See Rhodesian War for "convoy-protection"

Lots of other lessons ..
Your first priority is to establish yourself somewhere that is defensible -- with enough trained people able to defend it
and
The wherewithal to defend it

ZOMBIES are going to go for the EASY meat FIRST !

 

[jambai]

Added to that is that if you are white, retrenched and over 50 you are highly unlikely to ever get employment again, irrespective of experience gained and qualifications held (minor exceptions, agreed) thanks to AA\EE. A junior- or middle manager's position? Forget it!

You are also unlikely to get any additional finance even with your pension and\or asset(s) (a smallholding or farm) as collateral to try and start a farming- or any other small business to become self-employed and self-sufficient.

Meanwhile, if you are unfortunate enough to have a bond (and remember, your contract states that you have to notify the bank in case your employment status changes), the banks start circling like the vultures they are ...

Speaking from first-hand experience and I also have friends and relatives that are in one or more of these situations. (This is especially prevalent in the Eastern Cape, but is (or will soon become) equally valid country-wide).

True ...but whites might be able to get asluym / refugee status ...black middle class screwed especially in public sector as there would be no economy and potential for banks to collapse ...life stream of economy to flow

 

[Supervan II]

True ...but whites might be able to get asluym / refugee status ...black middle class screwed especially in public sector as there would be no economy and potential for banks to collapse ...life stream of economy to flow

And? Who wants asylum?

All we ask that common sense prevail: stop treating whites as the enemy of the state. The ANC/EFF/COSATU have been very effective in convincing voters that this is the case - it is not! We need each other to build this country, not plunder it and drive it to ruination as the ANC has done for the last 25 years!

 

[Jabulani22]

True ...but whites might be able to get asluym / refugee status ...black middle class screwed especially in public sector as there would be no economy and potential for banks to collapse ...life stream of economy to flow

History tells us that this is exactly the opposite of what will happen

 

[jambai]

History tells us that this is exactly the opposite of what will happen

So how did the whites in zim get into South Africa ? Were they allowed to just arrive
Which cases on history say that white farmers would not be granted asylum ..not saying your point not valid just trying to think ahead

 

[Jabulani22]

So how did the whites in zim get into South Africa ? Were they allowed to just arrive
Which cases on history say that white farmers would not be granted asylum ..not saying your point not valid just trying to think ahead

Look at what is currently happening , people cry for migrants from africa to be let in , whites are denied by the same places.

 

[deweyzeph]

I wonder if the government has factored into account the possibility that any landowner who is told that their property will be taken without any compensation will make sure that their property is completely uninhabitable once they are forced off of it. I'm willing to bet that there are plenty of farmers out there who will poison every borehole, burn down every structure, kill every last bit of game and scorch every last field on their way out. They will make sure that their farms are completely and utterly unusable for decades to come.