Tito Mboweni has been accused of lying in his budget speech

[Bradley Prior]

Tito Mboweni has been accused of lying in his budget speech

Finance Minister Tito Mboweni may be summoned before parliament's ethics committee for making allegedly misleading statements during his mid-term budget speech.

 

[Milano]

"The Budget facility for infrastructure will support new projects, including through blended finance in partnership with the private sector. This includes hospitals, hospital projects in KwaZulu-Natal and in the Western Cape, like the Tygerberg Hospital. By the way, this Tygerberg Hospital thing ... it still has a black and white section. There is a section where blacks used to go and there is a section where whites used to go. Structurally it is still there, so the thing has to be removed and a completely new hospital constructed there. It’s unbelievable.”

 

[trenton]

Every day the hope that there might be someone in government with 2 brain cells to rub together fades even more, and the realization that we are more screwed than we think grows in response.

 

[Vrotappel]

Just shows you, once they were that ANC badge..

 

[RedViking]

The budget speech is like a Ponzi scheme it seems. Will have better luck if you invest into one of those dodgy MLM's.

 

[Thor]

Tito showed he's colors at this speech and all I saw was that this country is fcked. Everyone in charge are clowns.

 

[B-1]

Tito showed he's colors at this speech and all I saw was that this country is fcked. Everyone in charge are clowns.

You can see there was a strong move in ANC policy. I went from defending against the we have to emigrate braai talk to supporting people who made that decision in like 2 months. Was a very quick cbange in policy and caught me off guard.

 

[Pt123]

Anc must pay back the 5 trillion rand that they stole since 1994, then they don't have to look for more money from the tax payer

 

[Milano]

Tito's response:

“Please do not overreact. There are still two structures there at Tygerberg Hospital. One was for blacks and the other for whites. They exist. What does not exist any longer is the segregation of patients. That is the reality.”

 

[ShaunSA]

A politician lying?

/inserts shockface

 

[konfab]

The ANC (and all good progressives)'s logic:
Beaches used to be segregated. They are not anymore, therefore they are still structurally segregated and therefore are institutionally racist.

Tygerberg is actually a hospital that should be phased out, but it isn't because it is "structurally" racist. It is because it is too old and too big for a government to manage.

 

[Happy Days]

Tito's response:

“Please do not overreact. There are still two structures there at Tygerberg Hospital. One was for blacks and the other for whites. They exist. What does not exist any longer is the segregation of patients. That is the reality.”

Is it true or not regarding the two structures? The segregation would be long gone, but if there's two structures as he described, then it's a statement of fact.

 

[ProfA]

Every day the hope that there might be someone in government with 2 brain cells to rub together fades even more, and the realization that we are more screwed than we think grows in response.

This is where the ruling party exposes the gullible in society, which are the very vast majority. They did the same with Pravin and the same with the president and cadre deployments like Mark Barnes in the SAPO. They make the gullible think that these are the "good" people. They are doing it now with the new ESKOM CEO.

Rule number 1. If it comes from them, it is crap. No exceptions.

 

[3WA]

Is it true or not regarding the two structures? The segregation would be long gone, but if there's two structures as he described, then it's a statement of fact.

Structurally it is still there, so the thing has to be removed and a completely new hospital constructed there

But why does that necessitate removing it and constructing a new hospital?

 

[Milano]

Is it true or not regarding the two structures? The segregation would be long gone, but if there's two structures as he described, then it's a statement of fact.

Come now. Apply your mind .

 

[MrGray]

There are probably loads of other examples where dual Apartheid structures still exist but where segregation obviously does not. That his statement was factual is not as relevant as the fact that he singled out one such example and unless you listened very carefully to his words you might well have come away with the impression that segregation still existed there, which could only have been done to score cheap political points and sow racial division. An excellent example of how you can create a false impression, despite never deviating from facts, by cherry picking a data point and interpolating inapplicable information.

 

[Milano]

There are probably loads of other examples where dual Apartheid structures still exist but where segregation obviously does not. That his statement was factual is not as relevant as the fact that he singled out one such example and unless you listened very carefully to his words you might well have come away with the impression that segregation still existed there, which could only have been done to score cheap political points and sow racial division. An excellent example of how you can create a false impression, despite never deviating from facts, by cherry picking a data point and interpolating inapplicable information.

^ Exactly this.

 

[Johnatan56]

Is it true or not regarding the two structures? The segregation would be long gone, but if there's two structures as he described, then it's a statement of fact.

What is a structure? An entire building? How is there being multiple buildings racism if they don't separate what building you go to based on race?
Tito's should have a case of defamation opened against him for that remark.

 

[Milano]

Tygerberg Hospital claims to be the second largest hospital in SA. While the country is supposed to be the ANC's second highest priority. How did this 'reality' entirely evade their 'ANC first, SA second' pledge to the people for 26 whole years?

 

[Happy Days]

But why does that necessitate removing it and constructing a new hospital?

Possibly. I've never been inside Tygerberg hospital and can't comment on how what issues the hospital has.

There are probably loads of other examples where dual Apartheid structures still exist but where segregation obviously does not. That his statement was factual is not as relevant as the fact that he singled out one such example and unless you listened very carefully to his words you might well have come away with the impression that segregation still existed there, which could only have been done to score cheap political points and sow racial division. An excellent example of how you can create a false impression, despite never deviating from facts, by cherry picking a data point and interpolating inapplicable information.

Fully agree with you. Tito has never struck me as a racist, and I did read his words very carefully. He said that the hospital needs to be rebuilt - now whether that's because of the way it was originally designed (white/non-white) I couldn't say. I did find an article from 2018 calling for a complete rebuild of Tygerberg: https://www.iol.co.za/capeargus/news/tygerberg-hospital-must-be-shut-down-and-replaced-15357136