Tito Mboweni refuses to scrap e-tolls: 'You pay for bread, and you'll pay for roads'

[buka001]

Lol at the etoll defenders.

Had a fuel levy been implemented back in 2010 it would have been paid off by now.

Will the government turn off the etolls the day it is paid back?

Of course not. The N3 tolls to Durban have paid back the cost multiple times over. The profit they make on that concession is mind numbing.

Toll roads in SA are well established cash cows, feeding off corruption. Etolls was a way to establish a very lucrative cash cow on the busiest highway in SA.

Taking their toll: How a cosy club dominates SA's toll road empire

(My apologies if I missed this in N/CA :0) From timeslive: Taking their toll: How a cosy club dominates SA's toll road empire South Africans are paying millions of rands extra for toll roads as a group of powerful players reap the spoils of lucrative tenders from the SA Roads Agency...

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[Supervan II]

These are the government's own figures you numpty. And why don't you answer the first question as well? Why should the N1 in JHB be tolled, but not the N2 in Port Elizabeth?

Hey, leave PE out of this!

FYI, the N2 is already being tolled, since 1983, the first in SA, in fact - and the toll fees are now R53.00, conveniently after the alternative route was closed because of it being unsafe due to non-maintenance since 1994.

 

[Tokolotshe]

I'm pretty sure those figures were from OUTA. Being quoted as fact by journalists who don't know any better themselves. So OUTA got miles of free coverage they didn't deserve.

I love how you cast aspersions on everyone that's opposing it, but trust the ANC.
Did you know you were already paying for it in the form of fuel levies. Except it was not ring fenced and as such it disappeared, thus the need for additional funds.

Getting back to Tito's bread: I sell you a loaf of bread, steal it and expect you to pay for it again.

Just to make your day: I pay more for Outa per month than I would have for tolls. Guess why? Fun fact.

 

[HartsockZA]

I don't pay for E-tolls cause my fuel levy pays for that already. Scrap the fuel levy and taxes thereon and then I'll not mind paying Etolls. Otherwise, you guys can scream bloody murder to pay your Etolls crap and I still will not pay.

 

[Polymathic]

Lol at the etoll defenders.

Had a fuel levy been implemented back in 2010 it would have been paid off by now.

Will the government turn off the etolls the day it is paid back?

Of course not. The N3 tolls to Durban have paid back the cost multiple times over. The profit they make on that concession is mind numbing.

Toll roads in SA are well established cash cows, feeding off corruption. Etolls was a way to establish a very lucrative cash cow on the busiest highway in SA.

Taking their toll: How a cosy club dominates SA's toll road empire

(My apologies if I missed this in N/CA :0) From timeslive: Taking their toll: How a cosy club dominates SA's toll road empire South Africans are paying millions of rands extra for toll roads as a group of powerful players reap the spoils of lucrative tenders from the SA Roads Agency...

mybroadband.co.za

But Gauteng people want a national levy and expect people from other parts of the country to pay for their roads

 

[Moto Guzzi]

Transport minister Fikile Mbalula and Gauteng premier David Makhura have lost the battle on the issue of e-tolls after finance minister Tito Mboweni refused to do away with the "user-pay principle".

Mboweni announced in his medium-term budget policy statement [mini-budget] that the Gauteng e-tolls are here to stay in their current form, which means road users are still expected to pay.

He said after considering several options to resolve the impasse over the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project, the government decided to retain the user-pay principle.

Tito Mboweni refuses to scrap e-tolls: 'You pay for bread, and you'll pay for roads'

Transport minister Fikile Mbalula and Gauteng premier David Makhura have lost the battle on the issue of e-tolls after finance minister Tito Mboweni refused to do away with the "user-pay principle".

www.timeslive.co.za

Its not paying for the E-Tolls thats the problem, its how much you pay and the hiidden onspoken "why"..

Example, just a small one: Lets say SMS costs 20cents,
-but you get asked R1.50 per sms with profit, this is just, just acceptable at this level of charge.
--but you get charged R16.00 per sms with extortion, now you see the problem -?
In examples case, the ideal would be 40c(100% profit) and this % lowered gradually as the cost of producing and volume rises....Can you see the long term realistic sustainable side, versus the short term quick get rich sceme scenario for a few filled with greed, no monetary ideology can survive this over the long term to the benifit of most.

Channeling of money will eventually destroy any monetary/political system, they all depends on the honest flow of money and the slow predictable/understandable cycles that goes with that.

 

[Lupus]

Sooooo just to kick the hornets nest a bit, I'll leave this here ... currently I have a princely prepaid balance in my Sanral account, which pays for my eTolls and tollbooth gantries in all kinds of places. It's even started paying for some connected parking garages (I was puzzled by a Netcare hospital's parking boom opening recently as I pulled up for a ticket, until I saw the notification in the Sanral app):
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I think so many eToll protesters would be pretty impressed by how slick the whole eToll app and payment process has become in recent years. But it's ok, sit in the long tollgate queues while I go past in the eToll rapid payment lanes, suits me fine

People aren't fighting for toll booth quick payments, the entire highway from Johannesburg to Pretoria over 150km worth is tolled. Not one little booth here or there, the entire highway which they didn't build, but just added a lane and tarred over the concrete.

 

[Sinbad]

But Gauteng people want a national levy and expect people from other parts of the country to pay for their roads

Gauteng exports money to the rest of the country already

 

[Lupus]

But Gauteng people want a national levy and expect people from other parts of the country to pay for their roads

Well you expect people from Gauteng to pay for your infrastructure, most of the tax in South Africa comes from Gauteng. Gautengs GDP is the 7th largest in Africa. Kwazulu was 12th and the Cape 16th.

 

[BBSA]

But Gauteng people want a national levy and expect people from other parts of the country to pay for their roads

Lol, who is paying for the highways in and around Cape Town and Durban?

 

[Lupus]

I suppose we should be happy the government didn't go with their original idea of putting the RFID chip in the number plate. I knew someone who was working on that for the government pre 2010. Thought it was ridiculous when he said they were looking at tolling the whole highway.

 

[thestaggy]

Nope.

 

[Polymathic]

Lol, who is paying for the highways in and around Cape Town and Durban?

Well you expect people from Gauteng to pay for your infrastructure, most of the tax in South Africa comes from Gauteng. Gautengs GDP is the 7th largest in Africa. Kwazulu was 12th and the Cape 16th.

Western Cape and KZN contribute more than enough taxes to cover it's own infrastructure. What happens to that money is a whole nother story especially with KZN

Besides who are the ones clogging up the N3 every holiday and long weekend?

 

[BBSA]

Western Cape and KZN contribute more than enough taxes to cover it's own infrastructure. What happens to that money is a whole nother story especially with KZN

Besides who are the ones clogging up the N3 every holiday and long weekend?

Tourist, the people who keeps your economy going

 

[grok]

And I figured you wouldn't apply any real logic to it, because despite some attempts at logical defense, it's just self-interest at heart and that is a chosen position, not a logical one.

**** logic, if self-interest means choosing to resist being stolen from I'm all for it.

But carry on its fun to see a coward trying to justify his appeasement of a corrupt government to himself.

 

[Bigjay84]

I'll pay eTolls when everyone pays for electricity and water

 

[CaptainObvious]

The users of those roads already pay. If those roads are getting worn down then it means a lot of people are driving on them which means a lot of fuel used which means a lot of fuel levies collected.

Logic like this just does not exist in the world today

 

[krycor]

Government is set for a big drive to get users to pay for road use. This is through electronic tolling not only in Gauteng, but possibly in the rest of the country too. Taxis and other forms of public transport are excluded from e-tolls in a pact struck by former president Jacob Zuma, so the burden falls on people who drive cars. Roads agency Sanral, which runs national roads and the e-tolling gantries, is in trouble. The Medium-Term Budget Policy Statement document says:

“Since 2014/15, the South African National Roads Agency Limited (Sanral) has incurred annual average losses of R1bn. The agency is not generating sufficient cash from its toll portfolio to settle operational costs and debt redemptions falling due over the next three years. Government has extended a total guarantee facility of R38.9bn to the agency, of which R30.3bn had been used by March 31 2019. Over the medium term, Sanral is expected to repay R10.7bn of maturing debt obligations and R10.8bn worth of interest payments. To enable Sanral to pay these obligations, government will implement direct user charges as outlined in the White Paper on National Transport Policy.“

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Seems like it’s coming to national routes near everyone.

 

[rietrot]

And we do pay for the roads via the feul levy.

Review the corrupt etoll contracts where money doesn't go to the roads but to some Austrian company.

 

[buka001]

But Gauteng people want a national levy and expect people from other parts of the country to pay for their roads

And far more tax is collected in Gauteng.

The levy would have paid off the GFIP and thereafter used to fund other roads.