To live: Joburg vs. CPT?

SandtonScandi

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I have lived in Johannesburg for almost 4 years. I like a lot of things about it. The people are very open and friendly and I have had no issues making friends with locals even though I'm an outsider who wasn't born here. But the city has a few down sides, mainly high pollution and the fact that it's landlocked. It's also really spread out, so it can take a while to get around.

I have been thinking whether living in a place like Cape Town would be a better idea. I know lots of people from Johannesburg love going to Cape Town on vacation. They all say it's so laid back and beautiful. And I agree with them. But I wonder what it's like to live there. From my little experience (I've spent about a month there in total), the traffic seems to be much worse. And I've also heard that people aren't as friendly (although I've never noticed this). But I find the climate to be better suited for me (a little cooler overall), and being by the ocean is a big plus. I can't comment on the crime, as I do not actually know how they compare. Lots of people seem to have the idea that Johannesburg has the worst crime rate in the country, but statistically I think Cape Town is ahead.

If you could start all over and you didn't know a soul in either city, where would you rather live? If you rather pick Pretoria, Durban, Port Elizabeth or Bloemfontein you can do so too. Would be interested to hear your views.
 

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Depends on your income, if you earn well enough, Cape Town every time.

Ocean, hiking, bus system that generally works if you're in a myciti area, wine farms, most infrastructure isn't on the verge of falling apart, etc.
 
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I have lived in Johannesburg for almost 4 years. I like a lot of things about it. The people are very open and friendly and I have had no issues making friends with locals even though I'm an outsider who wasn't born here. But the city has a few down sides, mainly high pollution and the fact that it's landlocked. It's also really spread out, so it can take a while to get around.

I have been thinking whether living in a place like Cape Town would be a better idea. I know lots of people from Johannesburg love going to Cape Town on vacation. They all say it's so laid back and beautiful. And I agree with them. But I wonder what it's like to live there. From my little experience (I've spent about a month there in total), the traffic seems to be much worse. And I've also heard that people aren't as friendly (although I've never noticed this). But I find the climate to be better suited for me (a little cooler overall), and being by the ocean is a big plus. I can't comment on the crime, as I do not actually know how they compare. Lots of people seem to have the idea that Johannesburg has the worst crime rate in the country, but statistically I think Cape Town is ahead.

If you could start all over and you didn't know a soul in either city, where would you rather live? If you rather pick Pretoria, Durban, Port Elizabeth or Bloemfontein you can do so too. Would be interested to hear your views.

Tough choice. Cape Town, Johannesburg, Pretoria, Durban, Port Elizabeth or Bloemfontein..? None of those are really enticing.
 

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Tough choice. Cape Town, Johannesburg, Pretoria, Durban, Port Elizabeth or Bloemfontein..? None of those are really enticing.
PE has a lot going for it, for one it doesn't think that it's Australia, so services are cheap. Lots of natural beauty, and probably the most underrated SCUBA diving in SA, a huge diversity of marine life. The dolphin capital of the world. Traffic is a breeze, peak hour is nowhere near CT, Jhb or Durban. Wine farms are a short country drive away. Rich colonial history. I'd choose it above anywhere else.
 

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The biggest drawback living in CT would be the rent if you not buying, rent here in the safe suburbs is k_k expensive compared to the rest of South Africa. I do a daily commute from Muizenberg to Kenilworth via the M3 and it can take me about 25mins to 35mins to work so traffic is not too shabby. Crime in CT is really dependent on where you going to live, we are further from the dodgy SA borders so your VW or Toyota is less likely to be stolen, I can't vouch for the Northern Suburbs as I've never lived there but with the Southern Suburbs you should avoid certain spots in the cape flats .
If you don't mind a long commute to work then places like Simonstown/Welcome Glen/Noordhoek/Kommetjie ,Fish Hoek etc is worth a shout as they are relatively safe places and close to beaches. In the greater Muizenberg area like Vasco Da Gama there is plenty of reasonably priced housing available.

Cape Town has a rich food scene if that's your thing and obviously the people dig their watersports, there's something for everyone here.
 

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If you'd like to be able to swim in the sea, then Cape Town isn't it. The Atlantic is simply too, too cold.
Durban, however, has the Indian Ocean, and vast, welcoming sandy beaches.
 

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PE has a lot going for it, for one it doesn't think that it's Australia, so services are cheap. Lots of natural beauty, and probably the most underrated SCUBA diving in SA, a huge diversity of marine life. The dolphin capital of the world. Traffic is a breeze, peak hour is nowhere near CT, Jhb or Durban. Wine farms are a short country drive away. Rich colonial history. I'd choose it above anywhere else.
Seconded. Looks like a very relaxed lifestyle there.
 

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I have lived in Johannesburg for almost 4 years. I like a lot of things about it. The people are very open and friendly and I have had no issues making friends with locals even though I'm an outsider who wasn't born here. But the city has a few down sides, mainly high pollution and the fact that it's landlocked. It's also really spread out, so it can take a while to get around.

I have been thinking whether living in a place like Cape Town would be a better idea. I know lots of people from Johannesburg love going to Cape Town on vacation. They all say it's so laid back and beautiful. And I agree with them. But I wonder what it's like to live there. From my little experience (I've spent about a month there in total), the traffic seems to be much worse. And I've also heard that people aren't as friendly (although I've never noticed this). But I find the climate to be better suited for me (a little cooler overall), and being by the ocean is a big plus. I can't comment on the crime, as I do not actually know how they compare. Lots of people seem to have the idea that Johannesburg has the worst crime rate in the country, but statistically I think Cape Town is ahead.

If you could start all over and you didn't know a soul in either city, where would you rather live? If you rather pick Pretoria, Durban, Port Elizabeth or Bloemfontein you can do so too. Would be interested to hear your views.
PE or Umkomaas in a heartbeat for me.
 

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PE has a lot going for it, for one it doesn't think that it's Australia, so services are cheap. Lots of natural beauty, and probably the most underrated SCUBA diving in SA, a huge diversity of marine life. The dolphin capital of the world. Traffic is a breeze, peak hour is nowhere near CT, Jhb or Durban. Wine farms are a short country drive away. Rich colonial history. I'd choose it above anywhere else.

Seconded. Looks like a very relaxed lifestyle there.
Thirded...

I love PE. The Chinese parent still lives there.
 

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If you'd like to be able to swim in the sea, then Cape Town isn't it. The Atlantic is simply too, too cold.
Durban, however, has the Indian Ocean, and vast, welcoming sandy beaches.

Last time I checked, CPT has direct access to both the Atlantic & Indian oceans.
Also we've got the most beaches in SA with Blue Flag status.
 

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The biggest drawback living in CT would be the rent if you not buying, rent here in the safe suburbs is k_k expensive compared to the rest of South Africa. I do a daily commute from Muizenberg to Kenilworth via the M3 and it can take me about 25mins to 35mins to work so traffic is not too shabby. Crime in CT is really dependent on where you going to live, we are further from the dodgy SA borders so your VW or Toyota is less likely to be stolen, I can't vouch for the Northern Suburbs as I've never lived there but with the Southern Suburbs you should avoid certain spots in the cape flats .
If you don't mind a long commute to work then places like Simonstown/Welcome Glen/Noordhoek/Kommetjie ,Fish Hoek etc is worth a shout as they are relatively safe places and close to beaches. In the greater Muizenberg area like Vasco Da Gama there is plenty of reasonably priced housing available.

Cape Town has a rich food scene if that's your thing and obviously the people dig their watersports, there's something for everyone here.

The pandemic is changing that though, there's been a significant drop in rental prices these past few months.
There seems to be an oversupply of rentals in CPT right now, especially in the CBD and surrounds.
 

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Last time I checked, CPT has direct access to both the Atlantic & Indian oceans.
No it does not.

Benguela_and_Agulhas_Currents_2.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cape_Point

The actual reason why the water on the "atlantic" side of Cape Town is colder is because of the south-eastern wind in Cape Town and the geography of Cape Town.
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Water closer to the surface of the ocean is going to be warmer because of the sun. This water is also more likely to follow the direction of the wind. If you look at the map, you will see that warm water on the atlantic side of Cape Town gets blown out to sea, while on the other side of Cape Point, it is blown into the coast line. When the warm water is blown out to sea, cold water from the lower parts of the ocean swells up.

There is a really cool paper on this where you can see the temperature difference from wind:
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https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10.2989/025776198784126953
 
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Johnatan56

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The pandemic is changing that though, there's been a significant drop in rental prices these past few months.
There seems to be an oversupply of rentals in CPT right now, especially in the CBD and surrounds.
Rental prices haven't dropped that much, just not that much of an increase/no increase for some areas.
Wouldn't really want to live in CBD or immediate surroundings either (talking Obs, woodstock, lower end of gardens next to district six), which is why that "oversupply", since lots of people got those apartments due to work in the CBD and most can work from home so no need to go in.

I know quite a few people who have moved to Hermanus or Garden route now that their companies have allowed permanent work from home.
 
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doodlesZHS

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Thirded...

I love PE. The Chinese parent still lives there.
PE is such a chilled place but it has gotten increasingly dangerous in what's deemed safe suburbs the past few years.My gran has had numerous break-ins in her house in Adcockvale, I did uni studies very late in my life and in our third year a class mate of ours was with her friend waiting in a car outside a residence and they got kidnapped in broad daylight in North End,she was unfortunately raped numerous times and her friend was shot executioner style.

Edit plenty of car thefts in Summerstrand area,uncle's car got stolen from parking area at Boardwalk after he was at the casino for just about 15 minutes for a prize give-away,cousin's car stolen within the parking area at NMMU etc etc ...
 
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