Tokyo Sexwale approached to be next ANC president

[bwana]

Change the constitution so that Mbeki can be president for another four years vs. Jacob Zuma becoming president?

Tough call...

Is it? What happens when SA doesnt have such a benevolent leader and the constitution has already been changed? Change it now and every subsequent president becomes unfettered.

Maybe Zuma for 8 years is better than Zuma for 18 years.

 

[Sneeky]

Remember, we're taking about the ANC presidency here. There's no reason why Thabo cant remain the leader of the ANC and let someone else run the country.

Quite right

 

[bwana]

Quite right

I often wonder if the ANC presidency isnt where the true power lies - a puppet master of sorts.

 

[Xarog]

The amendment could theoretically be appealed, or apply ONLY to Mbeki...

I think the country would really suffer for having someone corrupt like Zuma at the helm. But I guess there's nothing stopping Zuma from becoming president in four year's time, unless there's a corruption trial (and a conviction) in the meantime.

I don't like either option to be honest - hopefully there's a better third choice.

 

[JK8]

No, Thabo is not even South African anymore. He spends less than 4 months in a year in South Africa - he has not got his finger on the pulse here, nor has he any idea what his cabinet is up to. Thabo Mbeki is a useless president who has no idea how to be anything but an ambassodor. He should, at most, be the minister of foreign affairs. I also do not think a 3rd term for any president is a good idea for progressive governance. Mbeki stagnated the South African government, and if anything, corruption flourished under his reign.

He's the most respected president on this continent, the economy is rising very fast, SAfricans are becoming more and more wealthier through foreign ties. The crime is decreasing(slowly) but it is.
Corruption is a problem in all governments. He's done a decent job.

I would also like to respond to your previous comment:
JZ is an extremely stupid man. He can't work with money (clearly and obviously unlike Tokyo Sexwale), he can't grasp the concept of Sexually Transmitted Disease, he has no idea what paradoxical license means, and he has completely no concept of why the media should enjoy freedom of speech and press. Tokyo, I am sure, has at least some understanding that AIDS is not preventable through having a shower. Also, JZ hasn't even finished school and Tokyo has some business degree or something like that from a university.

I know Zumas stupid, he makes stupid rediculous comments.
Our own minister of Health is just as stupid. Maybe that was his influence.

So, if your dislike of a person is the definition of their intelligence, how much do you like yourself?

1 Question, did you watch the Apprentice SA? Bad move by Tokyo showed himself to the public, I was not impressed and like you guys also had a higher respect for the man. After the apprentice I did more research on him, To me, he has as much respect as I have for Zuma, not alot.

Ye he's a "bussiness" man, he has alot of money and is chairman of many companies like ABSA and including his own Mvelaphanda.
But to run a country???
Put into perspective....... GW Bush was a bussinessman put in to run a country, look how he FD that up!

Tokyos a bussinessman leave him there, groom someone else.

No Zuma and no Tokyo.
Besides all this I dont know why we comparing Zuma, hes fired he's gone, will never be President!

 

[bekdik]

Is it? What happens when SA doesnt have such a benevolent leader and the constitution has already been changed? Change it now and every subsequent president becomes unfettered.

Maybe Zuma for 8 years is better than Zuma for 18 years.

I suspect that Zuma = Zuma for ever ... Just look at Zumgabe to our North.

 

[bwana]

The amendment could theoretically be appealed, or apply ONLY to Mbeki...

I think the country would really suffer for having someone corrupt like Zuma at the helm. But I guess there's nothing stopping Zuma from becoming president in four year's time, unless there's a corruption trial (and a conviction) in the meantime.

I don't like either option to be honest - hopefully there's a better third choice.

Isnt it 2 years time? I thought the next election was 2009.

 

[Boodles]

Tokyo has achieved everything. There really is nothing more for him to do except make more money.

And this exact scenario does happen around the world when successful business people opt for a change and go into politics (and yes tokyo has been there before)

And by the way, i think i heard recently that has did quit his position at Mvelapanda (?? spelling).

I do hate the fact the we, the public cannot choose who will run the country. The ANC makes the choice based on popularity, NOT on who would do the best job, and which there is a vast, vast difference.

Tokyo seems like a decent man, and with all his business activities he would want south africa run much better than what it is now, as this would/does impact on his business. OBviously if the crime was reduced, less corruption etc would make big differences to SA, and in return to buisness would be better (and perhaps this might be his hidden agenda)

So what i'm saying is that Tokyo probably believes he can do a much better job than what is currently being done, and secondly, he also think that if Zuma got in, Sexwale might as well shut-up shop, so to speak - cause he would stand to lose too much

Theres possibly a 'worried' sexwale with regards, SA, and its future.

Thabo is a nice guy, but not suited for president. Put him on the UN or something, he likes travelling and reading from his notes.. lol

enough waffling...

 

[Syndyre]

Isnt it 2 years time? I thought the next election was 2009.

Thats what I thought too.

 

[Boodles]

Tokyos a bussinessman leave him there, groom someone else.

no time for grooming bro, you either got it or you dont.

 

[Xarog]

I meant 4 years after the next election. Sorry.

 

[bwana]

I meant 4 years after the next election. Sorry.

Isnt it five? I get confused with the US term of office with is four but I'm not 100% sure.

 

[JK8]

no time for grooming bro, you either got it or you dont.

Maybe, I like Mr Trevor, wonder If he can be President!

 

[jontyB]

1 Question, did you watch the Apprentice SA? Bad move by Tokyo showed himself to the public, I was not impressed and like you guys also had a higher respect for the man. After the apprentice I did more research on him, To me, he has as much respect as I have for Zuma, not alot.

Tokyo will be a better choice than Zuma. If Zuma comes into power, then it will be on the back of COSATU, and we already know COSATU will expect something in return. Tokyo tried to be like Trump was in the TV show, and he really shouldn't try to stoop to the level of an arrogant pratt like Donal Trump, but water under the bridge.

Ye he's a "bussiness" man, he has alot of money and is chairman of many companies like ABSA and including his own Mvelaphanda.
But to run a country???
Put into perspective....... GW Bush was a bussinessman put in to run a country, look how he FD that up!

Whoa, hold the phone. GW is not a successful businessman by any account, I suggest doing a little research on how successful he was in making a business go bankrupt.

Tokyos a bussinessman leave him there, groom someone else.

Who? Mbeki failed. Our deputy president has already displayed how willing she is to waste tax payer money one private jets and the like. So who, honestly will be a good next pres?

No Zuma and no Tokyo.

Maybe we should do away with all the executive powers vested into one individual. How about a PM that takes command from the cabinet and is thereby held accountable entirely by the cabinet?

Besides all this I dont know why we comparing Zuma, hes fired he's gone, will never be President!

No he's not gone. If charges aren't brought against him soon (chances are good that the evidence the prosecution wants to use will be ruled inadmissible), then Zuma may and probably will be the next president. He was fired only as Thabo's deputy in the cabinet - not the ANC, and the ANC is bigger than its president.

 

[Boodles]

If Zuma became president, he would never, ever step down. The country would goto the dogs. Bye-Bye SA.

 

[jontyB]

He's the most respected president on this continent, the economy is rising very fast, SAfricans are becoming more and more wealthier through foreign ties. The crime is decreasing(slowly) but it is.
Corruption is a problem in all governments. He's done a decent job.

Don't be silly. Respect amongst Africa leaders is not an achievement. Mbeki does more for the other African countries than his own. That's indisputable. Furthermore, Mbeki's cabinet is hand chosen by Mbeki himself. I cannot think of a more incompetent cabinet in world politics right now than in South Africa. The health minister, as you pointed out , is a disgrace, but Mbeki keeps her in her job. Mbeki can fire incompetents, but he doesn't. He does, however, seem to fire those that he falls out of favour with. Mbeki is one of the ****test presidents in the world. He is, however, a pretty good ambassador, as I have already mentioned.

 

[ToxicBunny]

ANC thankfully is not the same as Zanu-PF which all follow mugabe like sheep. There are too many people who want a piece of the pie in the ANC.

But Zuma would be a bad choice for president IMO, he doesn't have ANY of the type of qualifications that I would think are a pre-requisite for being a president of a country.

 

[bwana]

Don't be silly. Respect amongst Africa leaders is not an achievement. Mbeki does more for the other African countries than his own. That's indisputable. Furthermore, Mbeki's cabinet is hand chosen by Mbeki himself. I cannot think of a more incompetent cabinet in world politics right now than in South Africa. The health minister, as you pointed out , is a disgrace, but Mbeki keeps her in her job. Mbeki can fire incompetents, but he doesn't. He does, however, seem to fire those that he falls out of favour with. Mbeki is one of the ****test presidents in the world. He is, however, a pretty good ambassador, as I have already mentioned.

Brings me back to this

I often wonder if the ANC presidency isnt where the true power lies - a puppet master of sorts.

Granted he's also currently the pres of the ANC but that could be just as much a figure head as anything else.

 

[JK8]

Tokyo will be a better choice than Zuma. If Zuma comes into power, then it will be on the back of COSATU, and we already know COSATU will expect something in return. Tokyo tried to be like Trump was in the TV show, and he really shouldn't try to stoop to the level of an arrogant pratt like Donal Trump, but water under the bridge.

Like I said earlier, he wont become President. No matter what!

Whoa, hold the phone. GW is not a successful businessman by any account, I suggest doing a little research on how successful he was in making a business go bankrupt.

Keep your phone, I didnt say anything bout him being succesful, but now atm with his influence he's companies are doing well(I wonder why) so is his fathers and his grandfathers.

Who? Mbeki failed. Our deputy president has already displayed how willing she is to waste tax payer money one private jets and the like. So who, honestly will be a good next pres?

Our deputy never request such "presidential" treatment, if you the deputy pres a flight is a flight, thats how I see it.
SHe didnt ask for such expenses, she also didnt refuse it.

Maybe we should do away with all the executive powers vested into one individual. How about a PM that takes command from the cabinet and is thereby held accountable entirely by the cabinet?
No he's not gone. If charges aren't brought against him soon (chances are good that the evidence the prosecution wants to use will be ruled inadmissible), then Zuma may and probably will be the next president. He was fired only as Thabo's deputy in the cabinet - not the ANC, and the ANC is bigger than its president.

Like I said earlier.

Don't be silly. Respect amongst Africa leaders is not an achievement. Mbeki does more for the other African countries than his own. That's indisputable. Furthermore, Mbeki's cabinet is hand chosen by Mbeki himself. I cannot think of a more incompetent cabinet in world politics right now than in South Africa. The health minister, as you pointed out , is a disgrace, but Mbeki keeps her in her job. Mbeki can fire incompetents, but he doesn't. He does, however, seem to fire those that he falls out of favour with. Mbeki is one of the ****test presidents in the world. He is, however, a pretty good ambassador, as I have already mentioned.

Respect amongst the rest of your continent is not an achievment???

Ofcourse theres worst.
If im not mistaken Mantos reign is coming to and end.

 

[ToxicBunny]

It is an achievement, but its not a big one, because Africa is not where the money and the power on this planet comes from.

I'll believe Manto is over when she leaves... Just like Ivy.