Tokyo Sexwale approached to be next ANC president

[JK8]

Agree with someones' (someone posted earlier) stance on that SA should be run like a business. Really, it should, because it is.

There are too many donkeys running departments that are a shambles.

Zuma aint got a business brain cell in his head.

Running the country is just like running any other large business (obviously there is a size difference), but you need good managers throughout to run the business,. If the manager runs it like a donkey (like 99% of many polititions), then he gets the sack. That dont happen in the SA governemtn

Trever Manuel, and helen zille, aare 2 politians that seem to be running there departments with any sort of competance.

Leadership, and running your department as if it were your own business, doesnt happen..

So we need a president who is not afraid to use the whip when it is nessecary, and to run the country like a business.

The thing about running the country like a bussiness is that bussiness can go down!

Maybe we need an Indian president!

 

[jontyB]

The thing about running the country like a bussiness is that bussiness can go down!

Maybe we need an Indian president!

In earlier posts you were advocating Mbeki to take a third term. Mbeki's academic background is Economics. He was considered an astute businessman by many. By all accounts, Mbeki ran this country like a business, ensuring that the financial aspect (department of finance) remained the most competent with the most competent people in place. The health department's AIDS sentiment, by the way, echoed Mbeki's very own AIDS ideas, and he still keeps Manto in power (I don't know where you got your info from but Manto was sidelined by the deputy president - who basically pulled rank - and not by Mbeki). He left various empty promises (notwithstanding his promise to lower the cost of telecoms in South Africa was rendered completely baseless as he kept Ivy in position). Mbeki has all the traits of a bad boss - fires only those who fall out of favour with him, while keeping the incompetents in place while he spends most of his time out of the office. Only difference is Mbeki's golf swing still sucks. Mbeki is a good African leader - he is working extremely hard for a better Africa, but he is a crap South African leader.

Trevor Manuel, I fear, would be a terrible president because he is not in the right mindset (yet) - I think Trevor should go into the Private sector for a few years, then take the presidency, but I doubt he will do this as he is not interested in a higher office. Helen has about as much chance as a snowball in Mauna Loa to make any higher office than she currently holds (ok, maybe she will one day hold a portfolio, sort of the way Marthinus van Schalkwyk was bought by the ANC but I think she has better morals than old kortbroek)

We're (mostly) in agreement that Zuma should never ever get into power. I think Tokyo will be a good choice in the end, but I have to wonder if he will enjoy any support from the *Zuma* camp whatsoever. I am almost certain that neither Cosatu nor the SACP will be too happy with Tokyo's ambitions.

It sure is looking better for democracy though, especially if COSATU and the SACP's support for Zuma forces the three partied alliance to split.

 

[Leitmotif]

A country can go down as well. Politicians don't seem to realise this. They don't disappear, they just become worthless. Businessmen are well aware of the need to maintain and increase value.

 

[chiskop]

The thing about running the country like a bussiness is that bussiness can go down!

Maybe we need an Indian president!

Pls can you fix your font again, its like you're screaming lol!!

 

[NaZKuL]

...Maybe we need an Indian president!

Wait, why an Indian???
Unfortunately, there's no more Gandhis(or Mandelas in SA) left...
And I don't know how much SA needs Freedom Fighters...

 

[JK8]

In earlier posts you were advocating Mbeki to take a third term. Mbeki's academic background is Economics. He was considered an astute businessman by many. By all accounts, Mbeki ran this country like a business, ensuring that the financial aspect (department of finance) remained the most competent with the most competent people in place. The health department's AIDS sentiment, by the way, echoed Mbeki's very own AIDS ideas, and he still keeps Manto in power (I don't know where you got your info from but Manto was sidelined by the deputy president - who basically pulled rank - and not by Mbeki). He left various empty promises (notwithstanding his promise to lower the cost of telecoms in South Africa was rendered completely baseless as he kept Ivy in position). Mbeki has all the traits of a bad boss - fires only those who fall out of favour with him, while keeping the incompetents in place while he spends most of his time out of the office. Only difference is Mbeki's golf swing still sucks. Mbeki is a good African leader - he is working extremely hard for a better Africa, but he is a crap South African leader.

Trevor Manuel, I fear, would be a terrible president because he is not in the right mindset (yet) - I think Trevor should go into the Private sector for a few years, then take the presidency, but I doubt he will do this as he is not interested in a higher office. Helen has about as much chance as a snowball in Mauna Loa to make any higher office than she currently holds (ok, maybe she will one day hold a portfolio, sort of the way Marthinus van Schalkwyk was bought by the ANC but I think she has better morals than old kortbroek)

We're (mostly) in agreement that Zuma should never ever get into power. I think Tokyo will be a good choice in the end, but I have to wonder if he will enjoy any support from the *Zuma* camp whatsoever. I am almost certain that neither Cosatu nor the SACP will be too happy with Tokyo's ambitions.

It sure is looking better for democracy though, especially if COSATU and the SACP's support for Zuma forces the three partied alliance to split.

Im happy with Mbeki, he had a tough job on is hands proceeding Madiba, he did a good job, your attacks on him are standard attacks on all presidents.

He knows theres problem with Manto, and shes on thin ice. But he wont just fire her because of that, and I dont think he can or wants to. Besides firing Manto will not make him a better president.

Another two words for politics IS empty promises! ALthough hes delivered on more than one occasion.

SA is the capitol of Africa, by looking after the rest of Africa he's looking after SA, his plans are for Africa and SA by making Africa stronger he's just making SA more powerful, he's not just the president of SA hes the leader of Africa!!!

Our economy depends on our neighboring countries, they go down we feel it in out pockets, so by being the link between Africa and the first world countries is only paving the way fro the betterment of South Africa.

And all that takes time and effort all of which hes done a pretty damn good job of!

 

[JK8]

Wait, why an Indian???
Unfortunately, there's no more Gandhis(or Mandelas in SA) left...
And I don't know how much SA needs Freedom Fighters...

Just a taught...

 

[jontyB]

Im happy with Mbeki, he had a tough job on is hands proceeding Madiba, he did a good job, your attacks on him are standard attacks on all presidents.

He's done a **** job. Under his rule the only thing that has worked in this country is collection of taxes. 99% of all the departments are technically bankrupt. Crime has not decreased adequately over the time he has been president. We have been left in a telecoms slump, his denialist attitude towards AIDS has caused us major embarrassment all over the world and parts of our country are in crisis thanks to service non-delivery. Corruption has not decreased (in fact, according to the latest surveys South Africa is considered more corrupt now. Mbeki deserves zero credit for anything working in South Africa. He was not in South Africa most of the time to even have a clue what was happening in his cabinet (a cabinet who has several portfolios where qualified auditor reports were required in several audits over the entire duration of his term)

He knows theres problem with Manto, and shes on thin ice. But he wont just fire her because of that, and I dont think he can or wants to. Besides firing Manto will not make him a better president.

Rubbish. Mbeki has the mandate to fire anyone in his cabinet. Firing Manto would have removed any doubt about this government's seriousness about AIDS. Instead, we have been embarrassed to the worst possible degree.

Another two words for politics IS empty promises! ALthough hes delivered on more than one occasion.

So therefore Mbeki has failed because he is a politician?

SA is the capitol of Africa, by looking after the rest of Africa he's looking after SA, his plans are for Africa and SA by making Africa stronger he's just making SA more powerful, he's not just the president of SA hes the leader of Africa!!!

OMG. Mbeki wishes South Africa is the capitol of Africa, but I've got news for him... South Africa is a drop in the bucket. Other African leaders have previously expressed dismay at Mbeki's self beliefs as the African leader. If improvement of Africa is so high on the Agenda, then why the hell has South Africa - and more to the point, Thabo Mbeki not said or done something about Zimbabwe? He's not the leader of Africa. He's a schmuck who should be dragged back home to sort out the **** here. That should be the end of it. Enough of trying to solve Africa's problems when your own country is falling apart.

Our economy depends on our neighboring countries, they go down we feel it in out pockets, so by being the link between Africa and the first world countries is only paving the way fro the betterment of South Africa.

If that were true then we would have stepped into Zimbabwe
ages ago.

And all that takes time and effort all of which hes done a pretty damn good job of!

No, he has achieved very little for South Africa. Like I said before, he would be a better Foreign Affairs minister than President.

 

[Leitmotif]

Im happy with Mbeki, he had a tough job on is hands proceeding Madiba, he did a good job, your attacks on him are standard attacks on all presidents.

But nowhere are they more relevant. Not many presidents get attacked for being out of the country, however. Or as consistently attacked for non-delivery.

He knows theres problem with Manto, and shes on thin ice. But he wont just fire her because of that, and I dont think he can or wants to. Besides firing Manto will not make him a better president.

It will make him a better president, because then he'll be directly improving the situation, instead of calmly sitting and making comments that no-one in his cabinet pays any attention to. He's got the right ideas, but I get the feeling that ministers are only going to implement them when heads start rolling.

Another two words for politics IS empty promises! ALthough hes delivered on more than one occasion.

When has he delivered? Usually at least some promises are fulfilled. If this were not the case, then leaders would never see power. Unfortunately, in SA there is no accountability and the people have no option as far as their representatives are concerned.

SA is the capitol of Africa, by looking after the rest of Africa he's looking after SA, his plans are for Africa and SA by making Africa stronger he's just making SA more powerful, he's not just the president of SA hes the leader of Africa!!!

SA is falling behind Africa every day. We have more crime, less internet penetration (and thus less economic growth), less confidence in our government than anywhere *not* involved in a civil war.

Our economy depends on our neighboring countries, they go down we feel it in out pockets, so by being the link between Africa and the first world countries is only paving the way fro the betterment of South Africa.

Zim? Quiet diplomacy?

 

[JK8]

Ok to Leitmotif and Jonty

Do you think Tokyo will be any better?
Will he iron out all these problems Mbeki faced?

 

[jontyB]

Ok to Leitmotif and Jonty

Do you think Tokyo will be any better?
Will he iron out all these problems Mbeki faced?

For a start he probably won't let his own philosophical ambitions get in his way - Mbeki's biggest problem is he wants to leave a legacy behind, and he aimed on too big a project on the get go. Tokyo was a good MEC, he did a relatively good job. Tokyo knows how to multitask (obviously). My biggest concern is that we don't sit with another incompetent cabinet running the show while the Big Chief is out of the country all the time.

 

[Leitmotif]

Tokyo Sexwale built himself a fortune. He's clearly a doer rather than a talker, or even if he is only a policymaker then at least he knows enough to employ people who can implement, rather specialists at stalling and denial who are out to do as little as possible while drawing a .gov salary.

 

[Bageloo]

The general secretary of the ANC, Galema Motlante has claimed it's too early to be talking about ppl making bids for presidency as the official nominations done at the branches will only start in June and will be finalised in October!
None of the responsible ministers have commented about this issue. I just doubt the credibility of the whole thing.

 

[Leitmotif]

I don't. People will need to establish their bids early in order to try and counter the (over)exposure of JZ.

 

[Bageloo]

I don't. People will need to establish their bids early in order to try and counter the (over)exposure of JZ.

I would think JZ over exposure is all for the wrong reasons. A lot of ppl already found him guilty of corruption.

 

[Leitmotif]

I would think JZ over exposure is all for the wrong reasons. A lot of ppl already found him guilty of corruption.

A lot more think he's a hero. *Educated* people think he's a moron. Unfortunately the vast and unwashed masses are, by and large, uneducated.

 

[JK8]

A lot more think he's a hero. *Educated* people think he's a moron. Unfortunately the vast and unwashed masses are, by and large, uneducated.

Lol! Its more like the Zulus think he's a hero and others dont!

 

[Leitmotif]

Wouldn't be so sure about that. There's been a lot made about how JZ spun Zulu culture out of whole cloth for his defense, and the Zulu already have their tribal line represented in the IFP.

He's got too much support, particularly in the north, for just one tribal group. Then again, looking at the AIDS and rape stats for KZN, his shower comment might have seemed perfectly plausible there.

 

[Bageloo]

Lol! Its more like the Zulus think he's a hero and others dont!

enough with your tribalism

 

[Bageloo]

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=13&art_id=iol1168269225128B252

Sunday Times bull****ting us as always! The editor should be fired from his post. At least they should confirm the sources before going to press. The Sunday Times clearly has some hidden agenda wrt the succession battle in the ANC, mark my words!