Tony Leon slams FW de Klerk Foundation for apartheid comment

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Former DA leader and South Africa's ambassador to Argentina Tony Leon has added his voice to the furore over former president FW de Klerk's assertion that apartheid was not a crime against humanity.

De Klerk came under fire for the statement made which he made during interviews that commemorated 30 years since he unbanned liberation movements in the country, which led to the release of late president Nelson Mandela and others.

After EFF leader Julius Malema demanded that he be removed from President Cyril Ramaphosa's State of the Nation Address last week and labelled him an "unrepentant apologist of apartheid", the foundation released a statement in which it said the notion was "soviet agitprop" - propaganda meant to agitate.
This led to further backlash from the likes of the Nelson Mandela Foundation, the ANC and other organisations that called on the foundation to retract it.

According to The Citizen, Leon said: "I think FW de Klerk was disgracefully abused by the EFF in Parliament last week. He deserves credit for his 1990 speech, but his foundation has done neither him nor his legacy any good by entering the lists on how apartheid was not a crime against humanity," Leon said.

"Totem-polling it by suggesting genocides were worse or other systems more depraved simply suggests his previous apologies for apartheid were without proper meaning."

Apartheid is defined by the 2002 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court as inhumane acts of a character similar to other crimes against humanity "committed in the context of an institutionalised regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime".

A protest against De Klerk and the foundation is planned for Wednesday in Cape Town, News24 has reported.

Convener of the #DeKlerkMustFall protest, Songezo Mazizi, told News24 that they were expecting several citizens and activists who were concerned about the foundation's recent statement to take part and would hand down a memorandum calling on the foundation to apologise.

The EFF said it would explore all legal options to reopen a forensic inquest into De Klerk to investigate all those who were killed by the state under his presidency, with the aim of prosecuting him for apartheid murders.

The party said it was evident that De Klerk would only appreciate that apartheid was a crime against humanity if he faced prosecution.

- Compiled by Riaan Grobler

 

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Mass murderer de klerk is imploding. Government must remove presidential protection and let the AWB provide protection services to him...
 

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"Totem-polling it by suggesting genocides were worse or other systems more depraved simply suggests his previous apologies for apartheid were without proper meaning."
^exactly

the bloody old fool should have know better , he and his foundation... .... welcome to the age of alternative facts
 

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Weird how some politicians are overcome with outrage over a position held on Apartheid by a former president, suddenly after 25-years? What exactly will his admission or denial actually change for South Africans?

Will those who suffer in poverty, unemployment and violence suffer more because of what FW thinks of Apartheid?

The answer is yes. None of these politicians want to do something about those who suffer in poverty, unemployment and violence so they keep manufacturing problems that need to take precedence.
 

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Weird how some politicians are overcome with outrage over a position held on Apartheid by a former president, suddenly after 25-years? What exactly will his admission or denial actually change for South Africans?

Will those who suffer in poverty, unemployment and violence suffer more because of what FW thinks of Apartheid?

The answer is yes. None of these politicians want to do something about those who suffer in poverty, unemployment and violence so they keep manufacturing problems that need to take precedence.
and you fall for their trap......Apartheid / like its ugly older stepsister ,colonialism, should be left for academic discussion settings... not where our general body politic is at present... It happened, we living through its consequences and trying to get to a better tomorrow....and plenty- politicians especially... that would readily take advantage of the national PDST it left us with.
 

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Interested people should study the developments between 1966-1998 up to the day Apartheid was legislated as a crime. It gives a better understanding as to how the UN, and partners, observed the conditions in SA and where they stood on Apartheid as time progressed to ultimate recognition.

I don’t understand why the FW de Klerk Foundation elaborated so much on the UN and bringing the Soviets into it, that isn't what matters to our public interest, and should have agreed with their observational assessment that Apartheid is a crime against humanity and acknowledged the question in the interview whether de Klerk agrees with the UN or not than to compare genocide to Apartheid which was a direct comparison the UN made.

This assessment on Apartheid in SA is a challenging study, and documents on it are stacked high. There are abridged versions published. I see Mbeki promised to send the docs to de Klerk, it is easily downloadable though, but not everything is in one place.

Apartheid is what it is today. The ICC will prosecute you today, and individuals who have participated in the crime will be hunted and arrested. The law, however, is scrutinised by pro-Israel individuals and groups, and to date, nobody has been prosecuted under said international law.
 

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and you fall for their trap......Apartheid / like its ugly older stepsister ,colonialism, should be left for academic discussion settings... not where our general body politic is at present... It happened, we living through its consequences and trying to get to a better tomorrow....and plenty- politicians especially... that would readily take advantage of the national PDST it left us with.
One of the things a socialist hates more than those who are successful, is those who are poor.
 

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Hmm

Are black africans better off now? I mean really, all things considered?
 

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demanding an apology from him and his foundation is futile. By now we all agree that he's unapologetically still racist and has no regrets....

let the old fool be. The reeper's probably been camping at his gate for a while now.
 

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"committed in the context of an institutionalised regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or groups and committed with the intention of maintaining that regime"

Then currently the ANC is busy with crimes against humanity.
 

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Weird how some politicians are overcome with outrage over a position held on Apartheid by a former president, suddenly after 25-years? What exactly will his admission or denial actually change for South Africans?

Will those who suffer in poverty, unemployment and violence suffer more because of what FW thinks of Apartheid?

The answer is yes. None of these politicians want to do something about those who suffer in poverty, unemployment and violence so they keep manufacturing problems that need to take precedence.
Two different points. Not to be put together in one pot.......Both correct imo....
 

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Interested people should study the developments between 1966-1998 up to the day Apartheid was legislated as a crime. It gives a better understanding as to how the UN, and partners, observed the conditions in SA and where they stood on Apartheid as time progressed to ultimate recognition.

I don’t understand why the FW de Klerk Foundation elaborated so much on the UN and bringing the Soviets into it, that isn't what matters to our public interest, and should have agreed with their observational assessment that Apartheid is a crime against humanity and acknowledged the question in the interview whether de Klerk agrees with the UN or not than to compare genocide to Apartheid which was a direct comparison the UN made.

This assessment on Apartheid in SA is a challenging study, and documents on it are stacked high. There are abridged versions published. I Mbeki promised to send the docs to de Klerk, it is easily downloadable though, but not everything is in one place.

Apartheid is what it is today. The ICC will prosecute you today, and individuals who have participated in the crime will be hunted and arrested. The law, however, is scrutinised by pro-Israel individuals and groups, and to date, nobody has been prosecuted under said international law.
The EFF are using the words "Crime against Humanity" to describe Apartheid and not the UN/Legal/etc definition thereof. FW and his foundation fscked up when it tried to argue with a definition against a populist statement. The EFF are further controlling the narrative by setting the rules and ultimatums against which any response to their populist statement is checked, and our mainstream media is lapping it up.
 
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