Top ANC members want Zuma to step down – Report

krycor

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Or good as it exposes the weakness of the collective to stand behind an openly corrupt leader
 

CorrieDeBeer

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That is indeed a frightening thought

We will see. The DA is the only party that keeps improving its voter base. The EFF cannot really say that yet. I see the EFF doing a lot that COPE did only more successfully. Taking some votes from the ANC but having most of its voter base from the smaller black parties.

If the DA keeps on doing well in Gauteng I can see them taking Gauteng in 2019. Also, do not for one moment think the IFP cannot have some sort of resurgence, they did pretty well
 

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We will see. The DA is the only party that keeps improving its voter base. The EFF cannot really say that yet. I see the EFF doing a lot that COPE did only more successfully. Taking some votes from the ANC but having most of its voter base from the smaller black parties.

If the DA keeps on doing well in Gauteng I can see them taking Gauteng in 2019. Also, do not for one moment think the IFP cannot have some sort of resurgence, they did pretty well
I hope your right, but the reality is the EFF is gaining traction
 

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Castro, Mugabe, Kim Jong, Abdullah, Al-Bashir, Mswati. Sometimes wanting is not enough.
 

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No grounds necessary, he may just be an unfortunate casualty of a cabinet reshuffle, no one is going to bat an eyelid when a Tourism minister is replaced. Anyway I am sure he is aware of the fact that he serves at the pleasure of the President and good for him to be so brave amongst a bunch of cowards.

He may be a mere tourism minister but Zuma will face open rebellion if he starts chucking senior NEC members out of his cabinet because he mislikes criticism. He's still supposed to consult with the party on such matters.
 

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He may be a mere tourism minister but Zuma will face open rebellion if he starts chucking senior NEC members out of his cabinet because he mislikes criticism. He's still supposed to consult with the party on such matters.

Hanekom has a redeployment in his near future, methinks.

Hanekom was redeployed in the path of a speeding taxi the moment he tabled the recall motion, the taxi is being driven by the (p)resident evil and it's about to hit Hanekom crammed full of NEC members.
 

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Hanekom is going nowhere he voted against South Africa in the motion of no confidence and was taken on by the media and humiliated on Twitter, this is just him trying to save face. His a full on ANC Cadre
 

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If they remove Zuma, then this would show the DA was right about JZ all along. So, a win-win for the DA.
If they remove Zuma (highly unlikely imo), then all it proves is that the ANC are clearly the decision makers regarding Zuma's removal. And the DA wasted parliamentary time, as they basically did not check that they had the support of enough ANC MP's before proceeding with this activity.
 

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Hanekom is going nowhere he voted against South Africa in the motion of no confidence and was taken on by the media and humiliated on Twitter, this is just him trying to save face. His a full on ANC Cadre
Haven't you ever had characters turn rogue in a game? :erm:
 

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Yes and those characters become dictators we have a rogue president and country without jobs and water.
Well in the president's game there are characters turning rogue on him, just like he turned rogue on other gamers, called the people. Actually he's more of a villain than a rogue.
 

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Zuma is the livelihood of many comrades in the NEC the motion died before it's actual death
 

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I saw a statement that the meeting has been extended for one more day. More than enough time for the Zuma camp to make the meeting with their numbers
 

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Oops, it looks like Derek is fated to be dropped in the next reshuffle. Why they extended the meeting?
 

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Why they extended the meeting?

Maybe the team of "cleaners" needed more time to get rid of the physical evidence after (p)resident evil did something unspeakable.

Here's a blast from the not too distant past:

http://mg.co.za/article/2016-03-22-zuma-offered-to-step-down

President Jacob Zuma told his ANC comrades during the party’s national executive committee (NEC) held at St Georges Hotel at the weekend, he was ready to step down if they wanted him to do so.

I doubt the (p)resident evil offered the same thing this time around.
 
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3 ministers ask Zuma to step down

At least three members of President Jacob Zuma's cabinet are said to have led impassioned calls for him to step down or that the ANC national executive committee (NEC) vote to remove him.

Tourism Minister Derek Hanekom, Health Minister Aaron Motsoaledi and Public Works Minister Thulas Nxesi asked Zuma to resign. They were strongly supported by ANC chief whip Jackson Mthembu.

The president's alleged improper relationship with the Gupta family, the decline in ANC support during local government elections and the Nkandla scandal were used as bases for him to step down.

The ANC NEC meeting, scheduled to end on Sunday, was extended to Monday as a "rough", "fierce" and "robust" debate over his fate had not been concluded. Zuma's supporters in the NEC are expected to lead a vocal fightback on Monday.

News24 has learned from inside sources that more than 30 people spoke for and against the "surprise" motion tabled by Hanekom for Zuma to step down on Saturday.

City Press reported on Sunday that those set on removing Zuma were lobbying for a secret ballot to determine the president’s fate.

A Zuma supporter in the NEC told News24 the debate showcased the deepening divisions within cabinet and raised questions about how Zuma could continue working with cabinet members who had no confidence in him, should he survive.

News24 was told at least three Zuma cabinet ministers pushed for his removal: Hanekom, Nxesi and Motsoaledi. But Zuma was defended by three other ministers: International Relations and Cooperation Minister Maite Nkoana-Mashabane; State Security Minister David Mahlobo, and Agriculture Minister Senzeni Zokwana. Zokwana is said to have argued that the party had emerged wounded and split after former president Thabo Mbeki was recalled and warned that they should not do it again.

The source said Zokwana's defence of Zuma was a surprise as he was chairperson of the South African Communist Party – which has made a dramatic U-turn in its support of Zuma. Nxesi and Thenjiwe Mtintso, who also called for Zuma to step down, are also senior SACP members. Mtintso is a former deputy secretary-general of the ANC.

News24 understands that Zuma's defenders asked his critics in cabinet to themselves resign.

“Why don’t they resign? How do you work with him (Zuma) when you don’t have confidence in him?” asked an NEC member.

Zuma supporters 'ambushed'

Zuma's supporters admitted that the Hanekom motion caught them by surprise and they had to fight back on Sunday.

“It was an ambush, all of us were relaxed going to the NEC, expecting to prepare for January 8 and deal with other organisational matters, and they followed each other arguing for the president to step down. It felt like they had caucused and planned it somewhere else and they thought they had the numbers to win,” the NEC member said.

The pro-Zuma faction had to fight back after Saturday's "ambush", which they described as "rough". The NEC was extended by a day and Zuma's defenders were expected to speak against Hanekom's motion on Monday.

The NEC, which was previously seen to be dominated by Zuma supporters, has until now taken no action against Zuma.

It accepted his apology following the Constitutional Court ruling in March that he had failed to uphold the Constitution by not implementing former Public Protector Thuli Madonsela’s remedial action to pay back some of the money spent on upgrades to his Nkandla home.

The structure also decided to take collective responsibility following a decline in electoral support during local government elections that saw the party lose the Johannesburg, Nelson Mandela Bay and Tshwane metros.

Zuma's defenders argued that the calls for Zuma to go could not resurface now, given the NEC's previous decisions and that Madonsela's state capture report was not conclusive and under review. Another NEC member argued that the NEC has never voted, but always decided by consensus and therefore the motion to vote should fail.
 
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