Top Scientist Resigns Admitting Global Warming Is A Big Scam

[Arthur]

If we assume yours correct then we should all go back to medieval rural ways. No water, no sanitation and no electricity to speak of unless you can provide it yourself. We have allowed government to provide all those so I see no reason it can't enable green energy. As always it's just politics.

Bollocks. You've been captured.

 

[Ockie]

Lets say Global Warming is a scam. Polluted air and water and the fact that oil and coal is running out is more than enough reason to continue to move away from polluting fuel sources.

 

[Arthur]

Lets say Global Warming is a scam. Polluted air and water and the fact that oil and coal is running out is more than enough reason to continue to move away from polluting fuel sources.

I quite agree with your basic point of avoiding pollution. Pollution and environmental blighting must be stopped. It is an ugly thing.

Btw, it's not necessarily the case that we're running out of oil and coal, but that's another discussion.

Though of course related, there is an important distinction between weather and climate. They are not the same thing, and one cannot argue in a straight line from weather to climate. Likewise, pollution and planet-scale climate change. The line between local / regional pollution blighting and planet-wide blighting is not necessarily a straight one, especially when other major factors are considered.

Besides, the elephant in the room is our nearest star. It is the primary driver of planetary climate throughout most the solar system. And it's pretty clear climate is changing on the inner planets as well as the gas giants.

 

[Geoff.D]

Lets say Global Warming is a scam. Polluted air and water and the fact that oil and coal is running out is more than enough reason to continue to move away from polluting fuel sources.

Global warming is not a scam, neither is climate change. The scam comes in when the science is used to justify actions that are claimed will slow down, halt and even reverse the process.

Just like the infamous Y2K scam. Does anyone remember the hype and doomsday predictions that came along with all the "research" and then the predictions of Worldwide disaster?


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[Ockie]

Global warming is not a scam, neither is climate change. The scam comes in when the science is used to justify actions that are claimed will slow down, halt and even reverse the process.

Just like the infamous Y2K scam. Does anyone remember the hype and doomsday predictions that came along with all the "research" and then the predictions of Worldwide disaster?


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I did not say it is. I was saying "lets say it is", meaning if it is a scam, then the following still applies regardless.

 

[Ockie]

I quite agree with your basic point of avoiding pollution. Pollution and environmental blighting must be stopped. It is an ugly thing.

Btw, it's not necessarily the case that we're running out of oil and coal, but that's another discussion.

Though of course related, there is an important distinction between weather and climate. They are not the same thing, and one cannot argue in a straight line from weather to climate. Likewise, pollution and planet-scale climate change. The line between local / regional pollution blighting and planet-wide blighting is not necessarily a straight one, especially when other major factors are considered.

Besides, the elephant in the room is our nearest star. It is the primary driver of planetary climate throughout most the solar system. And it's pretty clear climate is changing on the inner planets as well as the gas giants.

I am sure there are other massive deposits in the ocean etc, but the cost and risk of extracting those might so high that it makes them unviable and renewable sources such as bio fuels competitive and much safer to exploit.

 

[Sl8er]

Interesting, just as the topic is being discussed here, this comes out:

US govt agency manipulated data to exaggerate climate change – whistleblower

A recently-retired top scientist from the America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) has accused his superiors of fudging data to hide a slowdown in the rise of global temperatures ahead of the UN Climate Change Conference in 2015.
John Bates told the Mail on Sunday that Thomas Karl, the head of the climate change department at the government agency, authored a paper based on doctored data, “rushed” it into publication, and then saw his work used to make international commitments to fight global warming worth hundreds of billions of dollars.

More at: https://www.rt.com/news/376512-whistleblower-noaa-pausebuster-fake/

 

[Ockie]

Interesting, just as the topic is being discussed here, this comes out:

US govt agency manipulated data to exaggerate climate change – whistleblower



More at: https://www.rt.com/news/376512-whistleblower-noaa-pausebuster-fake/

rt, mouth piece of the Russian government that has a big stake in oil production? Mmmmm....pinch of salt required I would say.

 

[Sl8er]

rt, mouth piece of the Russian government that has a big stake in oil production? Mmmmm....pinch of salt required I would say.

Thing is this is not a "story" that is told only by them. If you watch the clips I posted (and I suggest you do), you'll see that this has been said many, many times before...from reputable, respected scientists. Citations are included for reference. Do yourself a favor...watch those clips.

(BTW, Ben Davidson isn't just some crackpot conspiracy theorist off the streets...if you have a look around his channel and website, you'll quickly notice that he presents the cold hard un-tampered data.)

 

[Ockie]

Thing is this is not a "story" that is told only by them. If you watch the clips I posted (and I suggest you do), you'll see that this has been said many, many times before...from reputable, respected scientists. Citations are included for reference. Do yourself a favor...watch those clips.

(BTW, Ben Davidson isn't just some crackpot conspiracy theorist off the streets...if you have a look around his channel and website, you'll quickly notice that he presents the cold hard un-tampered data.)

Cant at work, but if reported by other media houses etc, then all is good.

 

[Sl8er]

Cant at work, but if reported by other media houses etc, then all is good.

You don't need other media houses to report it. You need to go look at the (un-tampered) data

If you have 50 or so minutes to spare sometime, watch both those clips...quite interesting.

 

[Splinter]

@Splinter:

The simple thing to do is use that dictionary that should be right next to you anyway and look up the words you do not understand. It is called on-going education.

Say what? Is yours next to you right now?

And I trust you have come across the tl;dr attitude on the webz before?

 

[Geoff.D]

yes 3 of them on a bookshelf right next to me.

 

[Splinter]

yes 3 of them on a bookshelf right next to me.

I'm at work

 

[LazyLion]

 

[Nanfeishen]

I'm slowly starting to come to the conclusion that there is no 'cure'.

But we still need to continue breeding to keep the taxpayer numbers up. More industry, more production, more expansion, more needs etc...

I just don't see a way at all. Nothing It's a bad and frustrating picture in my mind.

There is a 'cure' - population control - it resolves and solves many of the issues we face from social to environmental.

Its not a short term fix , but it is a long term solution.

- Fewer mouths, more food, and many resources become replenishable and sustainable
- Fewer people , less poverty, less poverty less crime.
- Fewer people - more people have access to quality education, thus more access to better paying jobs, employment increase
- Better job opportunities, less debt, less welfare strain, more tax payers, more funds to be utilised for public improvement.

The solution exists it just requires a willingness to actually face the truth

The Climate-Change Solution No One Will Talk About
https://www.theatlantic.com/health/...hange-solution-no-one-will-talk-about/382197/

 

[Arthur]

There is a 'cure' - population control - it resolves and solves many of the issues we face from social to environmental.

Yup. There are many 'cures'. All of them involve fascist State control. The State telling people how they must plan and manage their families is utterly unacceptable.

 

[Nanfeishen]

Yup. There are many 'cures'. All of them involve fascist State control. The State telling people how they must plan and manage their families is utterly unacceptable.

So educating people WRT birth control, proper sensible family planning, giving and allowing access to medical facilites for women who choose when and how to have children, providing treatment for unplanned pregnancies, encouraging women to take control of their futures through understanding the risks of multiple preganancies too close together etc etc etc is fascist ?

 

[Arthur]

So educating people WRT birth control, proper sensible family planning, giving and allowing access to medical facilites for women who choose when and how to have children, providing treatment for unplanned pregnancies, encouraging women to take control of their futures through understanding the risks of multiple preganancies too close together etc etc etc is fascist ?

You said "control", not "encourage", "educate", etc.

There is a 'cure' - population control

 

[SauRoNZA]

Lets say Global Warming is a scam. Polluted air and water and the fact that oil and coal is running out is more than enough reason to continue to move away from polluting fuel sources.

I think that is the best point of view to have.

Let's stop fighting about whether it's legit or not and rather just conclude that doing better at it can only have a positive result for everyone.