Trade in vehicle licence is behind, who pays?

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On a related note,when I sold a vehicle to Webuycars a while ago part of their inspection is checking disk,it was 2months from expiry and the guy said "no problem we'll factor it in"
 
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Let me share my last year's story which erks me every time I think about it.

Last year I sold a car to WeBuyCars during the last week of June with a disk that was expiring at the end of July. I removed the number plates as it was personalized plates. In August, I buy a 'new' car in Pretoria, drove it down to Cape Town. When I went to the traffic department to have my personalized plates moved from the old vehicle to the new one, I was compelled to first pay for the expired license disk from the old car. I was very tempted to go and request WeBuyCars to give my money back as they had ample time to renew the disk but didn't. But then again, I felt it was probably not worth it.
 
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guys, I have a weird one here. I thought best to come to Mybb for the many many experts on here (sincerely - I value such diverse opinion).

There's a motorbike I'm wanting to buy. It's a 2014 model, and the price looks good, but the milage looked suspect (only 2000km, although this is a dual terrain bike that often gets used primarily on farms etc). On contacting the owner he confirmed this milage, said the bike has hardly been used, but then said "2000km on it basically brand new wasn’t used much at all hasn’t even been registered and all documentation is included."

This sends alarm bells off for me. How can a bike even be sold or brought into SA without ever being registered? (this is a road capable vehicle). Of course I'd want to have this bike registered in my name, and of course I'd be liable for the back payment of nearly 8 years registration + fines.

What are your thoughts on this? Is this even possible? I'm going to go and see this bike, and if it's actually legit I'd buy it. I'm wondering what I'm in for though......
 
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The Darkness said:
guys, I have a weird one here. I thought best to come to Mybb for the many many experts on here (sincerely - I value such diverse opinion).

There's a motorbike I'm wanting to buy. It's a 2014 model, and the price looks good, but the milage looked suspect (only 2000km, although this is a dual terrain bike that often gets used primarily on farms etc). On contacting the owner he confirmed this milage, said the bike has hardly been used, but then said "2000km on it basically brand new wasn’t used much at all hasn’t even been registered and all documentation is included."

This sends alarm bells off for me. How can a bike even be sold or brought into SA without ever being registered? (this is a road capable vehicle). Of course I'd want to have this bike registered in my name, and of course I'd be liable for the back payment of nearly 8 years registration + fines.

What are your thoughts on this? Is this even possible? I'm going to go and see this bike, and if it's actually legit I'd buy it. I'm wondering what I'm in for though......
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What bike model is it exactly?
I've seen some dual purposes bikes sometimes never get registered for road use even though they can be.

If it has never been registered for road use then there should be unpaid fees or licensing to pay. Just first check it is on the the eNatis system or else you may need to get police clearance and jump through a whole host of issues.

I'd use a service like WEQ4U, they will know exactly what to so, will probably be able to check on eNatis system for you and will save you the time and effort of going to the licensing dept yourself to register and license it. It'll be a R1000 odd well spent.
 
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airborne said:
What bike model is it exactly?
I've seen some dual purposes bikes sometimes never get registered for road use even though they can be.

If it has never been registered for road use then there should be unpaid fees or licensing to pay. Just first check it is on the the eNatis system or else you may need to get police clearance and jump through a whole host of issues.

I'd use a service like WEQ4U, they will know exactly what to so, will probably be able to check on eNatis system for you and will save you the time and effort of going to the licensing dept yourself to register and license it. It'll be a R1000 odd well spent.
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This is great advice, thanks, and it's what I suspected. The bike is a KTM, and as far as I'm aware you'd not be able to buy one without it being registered. Their MX specific bikes one could, but they are not ever sold with a roadworthy certificate. I suspect there'd be big issues and certainly some sort of police involvement to move an unregistered vehicle onto the ENATIS.
 
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The Darkness said:
This is great advice, thanks, and it's what I suspected. The bike is a KTM, and as far as I'm aware you'd not be able to buy one without it being registered. Their MX specific bikes one could, but they are not ever sold with a roadworthy certificate. I suspect there'd be big issues and certainly some sort of police involvement to move an unregistered vehicle onto the ENATIS.
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As long as it has never been registered before and it has all the paperwork you should be fine.

As far as I know all new vehicles that are imported into Sa that are designed to be ridden on public roads automatically get their VIN number added to the eNatis database but they only become liable to pay a license once it gets registered at a licensing authority but registering it is not obligatory if the owner only wants to use it on private land.
 
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As long as it has never been registered before and it has all the paperwork you should be fine.

As far as I know all new vehicles that are imported into Sa that are designed to be ridden on public roads automatically get their VIN number added to the eNatis database but they only become liable to pay a license once it gets registered at a licensing authority but registering it is not obligatory if the owner only wants to use it on private land.
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Interesting. Okay, so I’d need to cross reference the VIN number then. Only suspect thing for me is that KTM wouldn’t sell you a bike that isn’t registered as far as I know
 
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Interesting. Okay, so I’d need to cross reference the VIN number then. Only suspect thing for me is that KTM wouldn’t sell you a bike that isn’t registered as far as I know
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They would if you specifically asked for it not to be registered because otherwise the new owner would then need to go through all the faff and cost of deregistering the bike and that would also mean the dealers original licensing and registeration costs would have been a waste of money.

As far as I understand it a dealer will only register a brand new bike once it's been sold and that especially will apply to dual use bikes that may only be used offroad by the new owner.

I'd just phone a KTM dealer and ask them, explain the year, model and situation.
 
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They would if you specifically asked for it not to be registered because otherwise the new owner would then need to go through all the faff and cost of deregistering the bike and that would also mean the dealers original licensing and registeration costs would have been a waste of money.

As far as I understand it a dealer will only register a brand new bike once it's been sold and that especially will apply to dual use bikes that may only be used offroad by the new owner.

I'd just phone a KTM dealer and ask them, explain the year, model and situation.
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Fair point. A bike destined for mom road use wouldn’t have any registration needed.
 
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