Trevor, Ivy’s Sentech clash

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Even if there was only half the amount given to Sentech there should at least be something to be shown for what has been done or been planned, even if it is just a few computers, but by the sounds of it there is NOTHING, so now what is going to happen next year? -1?
 

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i hear you...but its' not like the private sector listen to consumers either :eek:

And its usually those businesses who fails and goes belly up. If you're a business and wan to make money you provide GREAT customer service AND a good product.

Hell, your product can suck, as long as your customer service is great and you LISTEN to their needs and wants.

I've had people come back to me based on my service, not my price. (This is counting for the last 10 years I've been in the industry)
 

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My bad! read it very quickly. Are you telling me that every single school out of that 250 are totally rural no nothing?
If that is the case for R500mil they can contract voda,mtn,neotel or dare i say telkom to build the entire infrastructure for them. Geez how can R500mil not be enough for that.

Some of these schools don't even have much in the way of electricity, so setting up even a single electronic classroom can be extremely costly.

NB: I'm not defending SENTECH or IVY, just pointing out that it does cost a lot of money do thise. However, as I have previously pointed out, there is no excuse for the numer of times they have failed - for the record - Telkom was also involved in one of these projects back in 1999 - and that faild on an even bigger scale...
 

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Call me stupid, but why can't they make use of intl sat connections for the rural areas - not as if latency would be a problem. Heck Sentech offers a sat service (even if it is a ripoff). ISP grade sat equipment from intl provider ~ R20k x 250 = R5 mil. That leaves a heck of a lot over to spend on (uncapped, guarenteed) service from a intl provider.

+1

They could sat hookup everything for the people and then invest the rest of the money in upping their bandwidth and/or covering the "Free" bandwidth they're giving away to the schools with that amount of money.
 

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Some of these schools don't even have much in the way of electricity, so setting up even a single electronic classroom can be extremely costly.

NB: I'm not defending SENTECH or IVY, just pointing out that it does cost a lot of money do thise. However, as I have previously pointed out, there is no excuse for the numer of times they have failed - for the record - Telkom was also involved in one of these projects back in 1999 - and that faild on an even bigger scale...

I would assume if the guvva-mint told Sentech to connect these schools to the internet that these schools already have at least the basic supply of electricity. Otherwise that would be just downright stupid getting Sentech to do Eskom's job.
 

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And its usually those businesses who fails and goes belly up. If you're a business and wan to make money you provide GREAT customer service AND a good product.
Or you become a monopoly and you just don't give a crap...
Hell, your product can suck, as long as your customer service is great and you LISTEN to their needs and wants.

I've had people come back to me based on my service, not my price. (This is counting for the last 10 years I've been in the industry)
 

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I would assume if the guvva-mint told Sentech to connect these schools to the internet that these schools already have at least the basic supply of electricity. Otherwise that would be just downright stupid getting Sentech to do Eskom's job.
They don't.

Out of curiosity, how many of you have actually seen a rural school in the real world?
 

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They don't.

Out of curiosity, how many of you have actually seen a rural school in the real world?
Me, depends on the school and location really, one i saw had electrisity and a few standalone crappy pc's & printers probably a donation from a company(slow but they all worked)
So maybe this was one of the better schools donno
 

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Me, depends on the school and location really, one i saw had electrisity and a few standalone crappy pc's & printers probably a donation from a company(slow but they all worked)
So maybe this was one of the better schools donno
I was involved with a school feeding program a few months ago, and the schools we were at (Limpopo) were simply shocking. To be honest, a computer literacy program is obviously an important part of any education policy, but when the school literally has 4 functional classrooms and 270 odd kids, it becomes more than a bit of a challenge.
 

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Why in the world are we supprised? Let's do a minny survey of companies that get tax payers money and then still bill taxpayers for services rendered:

Sentech
SAA
Eskom
Road Tolgate company
Telkom

Nothing changes! Why do you say that Trevor is a good guy? If he is such a good guy and he is the one controlling the finances, why are the audit reports of regions a disaster? Why do millions disappear and he does nothing about it?

The way the funds allocated to the government departments are disappearing and the actions that are not taken to improve the situation, you might as well put any Tom,Dick or Harry in charge of finances in ZA.
 

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“Sometimes we’re put under a lot of pressure,” said Manuel, who is under increasing attack from the newly powerful left wing of the ANC for strangling development by setting too-high standards for government funding.

What on earth do they mean "setting the standards too high"?
There are criteria and standards that need to be met, if they're not met, you don't get the funding.
If standards like on-time delivery, doing what you say you'll do, quality, etc are reduced so that the provider can meet them, we're all in the sh**ter anyway.

Unfortunately, this seems to be the way things in SA are going.
The "standards are too high" mentality means either drop the standards and get sub-par service/teaching/value/effort, or increase the quality of your product/service/whatever. Naturally, the way we seem to be choosing to go forth is to continually lower the standards and thereby produce inferior products and services.

Eejits!
 

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But last year the government gave Sentech R500-million to connect 250 of the country’s 500 flagship Dinaledi schools, which specialise in maths and science, to the Internet.

Matsepe-Casaburri hit back in an interview on Saturday, saying Treasury had given her department less than half the money asked for to put all Dinaledi schools online.

Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but using simple maths:

Trevor: R500mil given to connect 250/500 schools = R500m for 1/2 the schools.
Ivy: Money supplied (Supposedly R500m) < 1/2 for 500 schools = Slightly less than R500m

So, unless I've totally missed something, Ivy can't count and seems to think the money supplied is supposed to cover all 500 schools instead of only half like Trevor said.

Once again, Ivy is a palooka.
 
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ah, but you all misunderstand Ivy. The first R500m was for personnel salaries, launches, lunches, planning, workshops, etc and the other R500m was for equipment, installation, etc. Now, they only have the staff, lunches and planning workshops to plan for the real planning workshops, but no money for equipment and installation :)
 

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seems to be some confusion as to just how sentech is planning to waste our money & how much

the following excerpts taken from presentations and debates to parliament:

sentech 7 May 2008 on strategy and budget for 2008/09 said:
Addressing telecommunications / broadband projects, Sentech reported on its carrier of carriers and VSAT plans and performance. No final decision had been reached between the Department and Treasury about the business plan and funding model for the National Wholesale Broadband Network (NWBN) project. Again only R500 million of a R3,1 billion funding requirement had been allocated by government. The Dinaledi Schools Project, providing wireless connectivity for 233 Dinaledi schools, was not sustainable as a standalone project. It required R2,8 billion. Sentech had proposed that this project should be implemented as part of NWBN. Discussions were still in progress.

same time same place said:
Ms Smuts (DA) stated that it was evident that Sentech had reached a stalemate with regard to wireless broadband which was due to insufficient funds. Sentech’s decision for delaying the process for implementing set-top boxes was wise and sensible. She said that it was not sensible for Sentech to be expected to finance the Dinaledi Schools project when its budget was already insufficient. She advised them that the Department of Education should be invited to intervene in the Dinaledi Schools project, as the matter could not be solely isolated to the Department of Communications (DoC).

Mr Pieterse said that the DoC was not sufficiently accommodating of Sentech and that technology played a significant role in the schools. He agreed that the MECs in the provinces needed to be invited to play a role in the implementation of the Dinaledi Schools project.

The members agreed that the Department of Education needed to be invited for this matter.

Sentech's full powerpoint presentation - http://www.ellipsis.co.za/?p=338

DoC March 2008 strategy and budget 2008/09 said:
Priorities for 2008/09 included the Implementation of phase one – the roll out of wireless broadband infrastructure to 233 Dinaledi Schools, in order to increase the uptake of Information and Communications technology (ICT) by both government and individuals. An amount of R500 million had been allocated to Sentech to enable this.

ditto said:
Ms D Smuts (DA) asked how the DoC benchmarked its performance and asked for more information on what the DoC was doing about the theft of copper cables. With regards to Sentech she remarked that it seemed odd that only 233 schools were going to be serviced, given that Sentech had received R500 million. She asked who would be paying for the equipment delivered to schools. Ms Smuts also asked whether the E-cadres were from the defence force and who would pay them.

Ms Shope-Mafole replied that the thefts were considered serious crimes by the JCPS Cluster and that it had been identified as organised crime. Telkom and other role-players had initiated a committee to deal with this issue. She added that some of the difficult issues around Sentech resulted from a difference in policy between the DoC and National Treasury. One of the points of difference concerned whether schools should be covered by Sentech. The Director General of National Treasury was of the view that they should fall under the auspices of private enterprises. She argued that it was a matter of policy and not administration. Ms Shope-Mafole stated that Sentech could not cover all 30 000 schools and that they were trying to do what they could with the resources available, and would then evaluate the difference made in order to promote a case, backed by solid evidence, for the implementation of this roll-out to all schools

[o/t: dear Lyndall. A closed mouth gathers no feet. rgds dominic]
 

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IVY FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ivy in a bikini..niiiice

Stop spamming this thread with BS:sick:.

seems to be some confusion as to just how sentech is planning to waste our money & how much

the following excerpts taken from presentations and debates to parliament:





Sentech's full powerpoint presentation - http://www.ellipsis.co.za/?p=338





[o/t: dear Lyndall. A closed mouth gathers no feet. rgds dominic]

Too late. She's already a world champion in gathering feet in her mouth.

All Ivy can do is complain there is not enough money - why not start on the required projects and then ask for more money - at least then they would have something to show for the money already allocated.

I can understand why Manuel would veto a private sector loan for R800M - when Sentech defaults on payment, he would have to come up with a bail-out package.
 

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I think Sentech's problem is in the way they are trying to do things. A policy does not maketh an Internet connection :p.

Providing broadband services to rural areas is always going to be expensive, and the business model is sketchy at best, but there are cheaper options to the best of my knowledge. Backhaul capacity will always be a problem but surely there is a way around this? Sentech just needs to get some competant chaps involved and not do it all themselves.

I'm not an expert in this field but I'm willing to bet that giving a competant WiFi provider R500 million would get you a lot more than zilch :D.
 
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