Trevor Noah slammed for suggesting Israel not defend itself: 'You're downplaying the trauma of millions'

[Brenden_E]

Sorry, when did that happen?

LMGTFY - Let Me Google That For You

For all those people who find it more convenient to bother you with their question rather than to Google it for themselves.

bfy.tw

=D

 

[Caliph]

Can I stop you right here? This is el classico redirection - what this one person said adds very little value to the conversation.

It's easy to post 10x examples of Hamas and their supporters saying Isreal (and Israelis) should be wiped out completely. It's a well-established fact that after years of bitter conflict they don't like each other. And it's not surprising either that there will be extremists on both sides seeking nothing but death to the other side.

I'm redirecting? I doubt you or @Vorastra even knew that this was from a book not just some verbal statement. @Vorastra tries to brush this particular statement under the carpet and group it with the other disturbing statements the Rabbi has made. The man calls for genocide of babies but you say 'adds very little to the conversation'. Give me a break.

 

[Brenden_E]

I'm redirecting? I doubt you or @Vorastra even knew that this was from a book not just some verbal statement. @Vorastra tries to brush this particular statement under the carpet and group it with the other disturbing statements the Rabbi has made. The man calls for genocide of babies but you say 'adds very little to the conversation'. Give me a break.

Does this one person reflect Isreal's government stance on the matter? Hm?
You put so much gravitas on his views because it fits your narrative to hate "them". Not a good way to live my dude.

 

[Vorastra]

I'm redirecting? I doubt you or @Vorastra even knew that this was from a book not just some verbal statement. @Vorastra tries to brush this particular statement under the carpet and group it with the other disturbing statements the Rabbi has made. The man calls for genocide of babies but you say 'adds very little to the conversation'. Give me a break.

No I said that he's been arrested multiple times and that people in Israel don't seem to care much for this guy.
You've posted an exception within Israel and think it's a big deal, meanwhile hatred for Jews and Israel is the norm in Palestine.

 

[Gyre]

It is acceptable to kill innocent children according to these people.

Crazy views on both sides by the hateful

 

[Iwojima]

Can't imagine myself picking a side in this one given the clear wrongdoing on both sides over decades and decades of history.

A bunch of lunatics on both sides that, if they really cared for the people they claim to represent, would have put all the BS aside and found a way to co-exist.

 

[wizardofid]

I'll say it again Trevor is a Twat who has never been to the Middle East, the dumb fsck probably does not even know where it is.

The irony of your statement will become self apparent in a minute.When you make the ultimate discovery that you don't know your head from your ass, because geographically speaking they are virtually indistinguishable.

As for the irony large section of the South African population would be under pressure to name the official languages of south Africa let alone national fauna and flora of South Africa.What about our own provinces and capital cities.

The second irony is, if you were such a wisecrack as you seem to be you would have known, that trevor has actually been in the middle east, Australia, India, Norway, most of the UK, most of America, Dubai, and quite a few places in Europe and the world in general.In fact Trevor has been in more US states then most Americans have and will see in their entire life spans.

Now some people might recommend you make your way to the nearest burn unit, I on the other hand recommend you head straight to a crematorium, as there is literally no come back from the statement you made.

 

[DA-LION-619]

After months I come back and it's like a broken record in here - the same people shouting the same ideologies at each other with very little positive engagement.

I am going to assume you really believe what you said. So let me present the side which you may not have considered. When a sophisticated speaker like Trevor uses comparison as he did it's not off the cuff, there are hours of consideration poured into the skit to evoke emotional feedback.

He used the big brother example to correlate Palestinians to be harmless and Isreal to be morally in the wrong; should a big brother punch a little brother? Rockets are not harmless, as you may know. This is not an innocent quibble between siblings. The example is a false dichotomy to push a false narrative.

Apart from being untrue, his skits aren't that funny anymore. He used to be razor-sharp with funny political commentary - it's a pity American politics consumed his sense of humor.

Yeah if we ignore the part were he said younger siblings aren’t harmless.

 

[Vorastra]

lol

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1394110787644395521

 

[Caliph]

Does this one person reflect Isreal's government stance on the matter? Hm?
You put so much gravitas on his views because it fits your narrative to hate "them". Not a good way to live my dude.

Firstly, you said I 'hate "them" '. Those are your words not mine. Why does the Israeli government still fund the Rabbi's Yeshiva then? (Od Yosef Chai)

 

[Vorastra]

You love to see it.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1394185725562826752

 

[Bonywasawarrioraway]

It is acceptable to kill innocent children according to these people.

There are outright rabid crazies on both sides of this argument just like there are on most moral issues.

 

[Vorastra]

Firstly, you said I 'hate "them" '. Those are your words not mine. Why does the Israeli government still fund the Rabbi's Yeshiva then? (Od Yosef Chai)

Do they?

State: No funds for yeshiva that incites violence

State attorney says "Od Yosef Hai Shechem Yeshiva" is source of incitement and violence against Palestinians and the rule of law.

www.jpost.com

 

[Brenden_E]

Firstly, you said I 'hate "them" '. Those are your words not mine. Why does the Israeli government still fund the Rabbi's Yeshiva then? (Od Yosef Chai)

I put it in brackets because you said "these people". So, ironically, it was your words. Does the Israeli government fund this specific guy you quoted? We all know the answer to that. Your entire argument is disingenuous, much like every other person with a dog in this fight.

Your engagement is rooted in irrationality, with no intent to positively move forward. You can stubbornly cling to your current dogma, and we'll see another two decades of dead people.

 

[Caliph]

Do they?

State: No funds for yeshiva that incites violence

State attorney says "Od Yosef Hai Shechem Yeshiva" is source of incitement and violence against Palestinians and the rule of law.

www.jpost.com

The Rabbi wrote the book in 2006. Funding stopped (if?) in 2013. If the government was really serious they would have stopped the funding immediately.

 

[Vorastra]

The Rabbi wrote the book in 2006. Funding stopped (if?) in 2013. If the government was really serious they would have stopped the funding immediately.

lol

BTW, can you tell us what your name means?

 

[Bonywasawarrioraway]

Of course he's said many many disturbing things. Let's focus on this particular statement, shall we? This statement is an extract from his book 'The Kings Torah' (2009). Was he arrested then for inciting murder and genocide? No. How was the book even allowed to go through publication?

freedom of speech probably. Doing is another matter of course. There is also the issue of context. If that statement in the book is part of a paragraph that begins " the are crazy extremists who believe that the end justifies the means and that... " then obviously...
I've never heard of the book so I'm not ready to kill him just yet, but I'm not inviting him to tea either.

 

[Caliph]

I put it in brackets because you said "these people". So, ironically, it was your words. Does the Israeli government fund this specific guy you quoted? We all know the answer to that. Your entire argument is disingenuous, much like every other person with a dog in this fight.

Your engagement is rooted in irrationality, with no intent to positively move forward. You can stubbornly cling to your current dogma, and we'll see another two decades of dead people.

Sorry can point out the brackets? Did mean quotation marks? I said 'these people' no problem there. I didn't say 'hate'.

If you even went through all +- 20 pages of the three current Israel/ Palestine (one of which has been locked), you would have seen me post evidence and even Israeli viewpoints. Clearly you haven't done that.

 

[Brenden_E]

The Rabbi wrote the book in 2006. Funding stopped (if?) in 2013. If the government was really serious they would have stopped the funding immediately.

So your argument is based on something one guy said, who had his support (if any) halted a decade ago. Really dude if you can't see how sad this is on reflection then I don't know.

 

[Vrotappel]

It is acceptable to kill innocent children according to these people.

Widely condemned.

Yitzhak Shapira [not to be confused with the messianic rabbi "Itzhak (Tzahi) Shapira"][1] is an Israeli rabbi who lived in the West Bank Israeli settlement Yitzhar,[2] and is head of the Od Yosef Chai Yeshiva.[3]

In 2009, he published a book (The King's Torah) in which he writes that it is permissible for Jews to kill non-Jews (including children) who threaten the lives of Jews.[4][5] The book states "There is a reason to kill babies [on the enemy side] even if they have not transgressed the seven Noahide Laws because of the future danger they may present, since it is assumed that they will grow up to be evil like their parents."[6] They can be killed indirectly to put pressure on enemy leaders, or if they are "in the way".[7] They can also be harmed if they "prevent a rescue, because their presence contributes to murder". He also writes that children of the king can be harmed to pressure him if he is wicked and harming them will prevent him from acting wickedly. He adds that "it is better to kill one pursuing another to murder him, than to kill others."[8] The book was distributed by Yeshivat HaRaayon HaYehudi in Jerusalem, which adheres to the ideas of the late Rabbi Meir Kahane.[9]

Yehuda Bauer described the book as a "mortal danger to the Jewish people as a whole".[10] Ophir Paz-Pines, a member of the Israeli Knesset, called on the attorney general to open a criminal investigation against Shapira on account of the book.[11]

Shapira was detained for questioning in 2006 over an article that advocated expelling or killing all male Palestinians above the age of 13 in the West Bank.[12] In 2008 he signed a "manifesto" in support of Israelis suspected of beating two Arab youths during that year's Holocaust Remembrance Day.[13] In January 2010, he was arrested for his "alleged involvement in the torching of a Palestinian mosque in the village of Yasuf."[14] He denied any involvement, and was released due to lack of evidence.[15][16]

In October 2010, he urged Israel Defense Forces soldiers to use Palestinian civilians as human shields, claiming that it was against "true Jewish values" for a soldier to endanger his life for the sake of enemy soldiers or civilians.[17]

His intellectual influences include Rabbi Avraham Yitzhak Hacohen Kook[18] and Rabbi Yitzchak Ginsburgh.[9]