Trevor Noah slammed for suggesting Israel not defend itself: 'You're downplaying the trauma of millions'

[zophas]

And you are from a country that elected zuma. ? We didn't do much better, now did we ?

Zuma was not really elected by the people. The ANC is elected by the people, Zuma was appointed by the ANC.

 

[Cray]

Zuma was not really elected by the people. The ANC is elected by the people, Zuma was appointed by the ANC.

Initially maybe, but the ANC won a general election in 2014 with Zuma as the sitting president and got 62.1 % of the vote, down 3 percent but hardly a sign that the voters didn't like him.

 

[zophas]

Initially maybe, but the ANC won a general election in 2014 with Zuma as the sitting president and got 62.1 % of the vote, down 3 percent but hardly a sign that the voters didn't like him.

True. I was just pointing out the technical difference between SA and the USA.

 

[wizardofid]

Good point

Lol yeah that comment was a bit of a brainfart.....

 

[wizardofid]

Zuma was not really elected by the people. The ANC is elected by the people, Zuma was appointed by the ANC.

Actually the usa has a national convention where the party selects the candidate, so no, people also didn't vote for the presidential candidate. Of course there is differences between the system in the USA and South Africa, but the actual candidate isn't selected by the public but by the party.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Am sure you are just dying to tell me, how?

It's a subject that takes a lot of study to master and involves statistics and mathematics. Too big to explain on a forum, just like Electrical Engineering is also too big to explain on a forum. You either believe what those qualified have to say or you go study the subject to argue against them. Ignorance does not equal qualification.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I think military intelligence can be and is often wrong, I mean the US launched an entire invasion based because of non-existen WMD's

Am curious as to why you think military intelligence is always correct, is that just because you want to die on this hill rather than say that the IDF might be wrong?

You think? Yet have no experience or knowledge of the methods used by military intelligence?

Military Intelligence is a science, not a thumbsuck. It involves verification, statistics, mathematics and psychology. Practitioners are qualified to use those to evaluate intelligence for credibility.

You seem to be in the know, tell me how often military intelligence is wrong? Not a single reference like WMD's in Iraq (Which they knew to be a lie and used as a deception) but a quantifiable figure gained from a methodology.

Any answers?

 

[RedViking]

Why can't the world just let them fight in peace and quiet.

 

[Cray]

It's a subject that takes a lot of study to master and involves statistics and mathematics. Too big to explain on a forum, just like Electrical Engineering is also too big to explain on a forum. You either believe what those qualified have to say or you go study the subject to argue against them. Ignorance does not equal qualification.

Am happy to listen to qualified people who have verifiable qualifications, are you one of those people?

 

[RedViking]

You think? Yet have no experience or knowledge of the methods used by military intelligence?

Military Intelligence is a science, not a thumbsuck. It involves verification, statistics, mathematics and psychology. Practitioners are qualified those those to evaluate intelligence for credibility.

You seem to be in the know, tell me how often military intelligence is wrong? Not a single reference like WMD's in Iraq (Which they knew to be a lie and used as a deception) but a quantifiable figure gained from a methodology.

Any answers?

Which movies would you suggest I watch to gather this intel.

 

[Cray]

You think? Yet have no experience or knowledge of the methods used by military intelligence?

Military Intelligence is a science, not a thumbsuck. It involves verification, statistics, mathematics and psychology. Practitioners are qualified those those to evaluate intelligence for credibility.

You seem to be in the know, tell me how often military intelligence is wrong? Not a single reference like WMD's in Iraq (Which they knew to be a lie and used as a deception) but a quantifiable figure gained from a methodology.

So you accept the fact the military intelligence can be ignored for nefarious reasons or be flat out wrong but you are 100% that this is not the case here...? Military intelligence may well be a science, but it is limited by the information that people have to work with.. Are you suggesting the all military intelligence is performed to the same standard and could never be affected by things like false information, lack of information, or plain old bias?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

So the military doesn't take orders from the president in a democracy, is that really what you are saying?

They don't take orders from anyone. The president is not a general. They plan operations and dependent on the type and classification of the operation, may require his approval or just inform him. Do you understand the concept of a military mandate given to general officers?

Do you think the military has to wake the president to intercept a hostile aircraft or shoot it down if it displays aggression?

Does the navy have to wake the president if a guard sights a diver in a military harbour before they can take action against the diver, including deadly force?

Do you understand the difference between an order, instruction, command and mandate?

 

[RedViking]

They don't take orders from anyone. The president is not a general. They plan operations and dependent on the type and classification of the operation, may require his approval or just inform him. Do you understand the concept of a military mandate given to general officers?

Do you think the military has to wake the president to intercept a hostile aircraft or shoot it down if it displays aggression?

Does the navy have to wake the president if a guard sights a diver in a military harbour before they can take action against the diver, including deadly force?

Do you understand the difference between an order, instruction, command and mandate?

You clearly have not watched Braveheart.

It's about passion. Not commands.

 

[marine1]

Whi cares what this idiot had to say ? Racist ****

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Am happy to listen to qualified people who have verifiable qualifications, are you one of those people?

Go read the SADF in the 80's thread and decide.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Which movies would you suggest I watch to gather this intel.

Military intelligence training movies. Not available on YT.

 

[RedViking]

Military intelligence training movies. Not available on YT.

Oh! Like this one!

The Control of Hysteria - By L. Ron Hubbard

www.scientology.org

 

[Cray]

They don't take orders from anyone. The president is not a general. They plan operations and dependent on the type and classification of the operation, may require his approval or just inform him. Do you understand the concept of a military mandate given to general officers?

Do you think the military has to wake the president to intercept a hostile aircraft or shoot it down if it displays aggression?

Does the navy have to wake the president if a guard sights a diver in a military harbour before they can take action against the diver, including deadly force?

Do you understand the difference between an order, instruction, command and mandate?

I like how you claim to be an expert but you think that shooting down a hostile aircraft would be treated the same as an order to bomb a civilian building? As buildings go, it doesn't look very threatening....

Perhaps a trained military mind such as yourself can point out what made the above building such a threat such that it was bombed without approval from the civilian government.

Do you think the mission to kill Bin Laden could have been done without Presidential approval?

 

[Cray]

Go read the SADF in the 80's thread and decide.

So that's a no then?

 

[konfab]

I like how you claim to be an expert but you think that shooting down a hostile aircraft would be treated the same as an order to bomb a civilian building? As buildings go, it doesn't look very threatening....

In 2014:

Don't know if you have read this:

When Hamas’s leaders surveyed their assets before this summer’s round of fighting, they knew that among those assets was the international press. The AP staff in Gaza City would witness a rocket launch right beside their office, endangering reporters and other civilians nearby—and the AP wouldn’t report it, not even in AP articles about Israeli claims that Hamas was launching rockets from residential areas. (This happened.) Hamas fighters would burst into the AP’s Gaza bureau and threaten the staff—and the AP wouldn’t report it. (This also happened.) Cameramen waiting outside Shifa Hospital in Gaza City would film the arrival of civilian casualties and then, at a signal from an official, turn off their cameras when wounded and dead fighters came in, helping Hamas maintain the illusion that only civilians were dying. (This too happened; the information comes from multiple sources with firsthand knowledge of these incidents.)

Colford, the AP spokesman, confirmed that armed militants entered the AP’s Gaza office in the early days of the war to complain about a photo showing the location of a rocket launch, though he said that Hamas claimed that the men “did not represent the group.” The AP “does not report many interactions with militias, armies, thugs or governments,” he wrote. “These incidents are part of the challenge of getting out the news—and not themselves news.”


https://www.theatlantic.com/interna.../how-the-media-makes-the-israel-story/383262/