Trevor Noah slammed for suggesting Israel not defend itself: 'You're downplaying the trauma of millions'

[Cray]

In 2014:

Don't know if you have read this:

Yeah, it's pretty ugly, and generally, Hamas has restricted the operation of the press within Gaza since coming to power, but if there is an option of having no press in Gaza or a curtailed press I think there should at least be someone on the ground reporting on it. As I said if it turns out that the building was used to store rockets or Hamas leadership am happy to say that the strike was justified.

 

[konfab]

Yeah, it's pretty ugly, and generally, Hamas has restricted the operation of the press within Gaza since coming to power, but if there is an option of having no press in Gaza or a curtailed press I think there should at least be someone on the ground reporting on it. As I said if it turns out that the building was used to store rockets or Hamas leadership am happy to say that the strike was justified.

It is a lengthy article, but nevertheless it points out that there are major problems with how the news is reported by AP and others.

I don't know if news controlled by a terrorist organisation is better than no news though.

 

[Cray]

It is a lengthy article, but nevertheless it points out that there are major problems with how the news is reported by AP and others.

I don't know if news controlled by a terrorist organisation is better than no news though.

Yeah me neither, I think terrorist-controlled is a strong word but that kind of Hamas-inflicted censorship should be more widely reported on even if not by the AP... But if the AP mentioned it themselves, would Hamas even allow them to remain in gaza...?

I Will read the full article when I get a gap...

 

[Emjay]

Yeah me neither, I think terrorist-controlled is a strong word but that kind of Hamas-inflicted censorship should be more widely reported on even if not by the AP... But if the AP mentioned it themselves, would Hamas even allow them to remain in gaza...?

I Will read the full article when I get a gap...

Care to define what would constitute a terrorist organization?

 

[Cray]

Care to define what would constitute a terrorist organization?

I wasn't disputing that Hamas is a terrorist organization, I was disputing that they are in control of the AP. Unless there is someone from Hamas telling them what stories to write they are not under control, not free and heavily censored but it's not the same thing as being controlled by them.

 

[Emjay]

I wasn't disputing that Hamas is a terrorist organization, I was disputing that they are in control of the AP. Unless there is someone from Hamas telling them what stories to write they are not under control, not free and heavily censored but it's not the same thing as being controlled by them.

The Atlantic article clearly states Hamas were in control of the information being published by the AP.

 

[Emjay]

 

[Cray]

The Atlantic article clearly states Hamas were in control of the information being published by the AP.

My post, the one you replied to, I clearly stated that I have yet to read the full article, will comment again when I have done so.

 

[Vorastra]

Why can't the world just let them fight in peace and quiet.

That'd be a very quick one-sided war.

 

[RedViking]

That'd be a very quick one-sided war.

Eventually someone is gonna have to give in?

 

[Vorastra]

Eventually someone is gonna have to give in?

I have a feeling the only reason Israel doesn't flatten Gaza is because of public perception.

Not even the US could protect them.
Until then, round and round these occasional spats go.

Keep slowly taking back land, I guess.

 

[Cray]

The Atlantic article clearly states Hamas were in control of the information being published by the AP.

I have read the whole article, the article makes no mention of direct control either of journalists of editors but I agree they have failed in reporting both sides fairly and it's clear that the AP has been intimidated to only report certain parts of the story which is a massive problem for their credibility.

 

[Emjay]

I have read the whole article, the article makes no mention of direct control either of journalists of editors but I agree they have failed in reporting both sides fairly and it's clear that the AP has been intimidated to only report certain parts of the story which is a massive problem for their credibility.

You really are splitting hairs. Hamas control the narrative.

Now ask yourself why they hung around and didn't report the truth once out.

 

[Cray]

You really are splitting hairs. Hamas control the narrative.

Now ask yourself why they hung around and didn't report the truth once out.

Perhaps they feel there is more good to reporting some of the news on the ground in Gaza than none of it, you are asking me to speculate, and asking why people act a certain way when threatened by armed militants?

Why don't you tell me what you think?

 

[Emjay]

I have a feeling the only reason Israel doesn't flatten Gaza is because of public perception.

Not even the US could protect them.
Until then, round and round these occasional spats go.

Keep slowly taking back land, I guess.

There is really no end to this conflict. Hamas will cannibalize infrastructure to wage their war.

Referring to the repurposed plumbing pipes, while speaking in another gathering in 2019, Mr. Sinwar said, “There is enough there to manufacture rockets for the coming 10 years.”

Gaza’s Rockets: A Replenished Arsenal That Vexes Israel

Despite a blockade, Palestinian militants have used help from Iran, ingenuity, Israeli-fired duds and even plumbing pipes to make thousands of rockets with increased range.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Cosmik Debris]

So you accept the fact the military intelligence can be ignored for nefarious reasons or be flat out wrong but you are 100% that this is not the case here...? Military intelligence may well be a science, but it is limited by the information that people have to work with.. Are you suggesting the all military intelligence is performed to the same standard and could never be affected by things like false information, lack of information, or plain old bias?

Are you aware that intelligence is given a credibility rating after analysis and verification? Are you aware that there are intelligence agents that don't even know they are intelligence agents? Unknowing unwitting agents as known in the parlance of the trade. There are even agents that don't know which agency they are working forthat think they are working for another agency (Witting unknowing).

Until you know more about the trade, I would suggest not commenting on it.

 

[Cray]

Are you aware that intelligence is given a credibility rating after analysis and verification? Are you aware that there are intelligence agents that don't even know they are intelligence agents? Unknowing unwitting agents as known in the parlance of the trade. There are even agents that don't know which agency they are working forthat think they are working for another agency (Witting unknowing).

Until you know more about the trade, I would suggest not commenting on it.

Thanks for the tip, but we can't all be experts on everything... I'll keep commenting on it, hope that's okay with you Mr Spymaster.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

I like how you claim to be an expert but you think that shooting down a hostile aircraft would be treated the same as an order to bomb a civilian building? As buildings go, it doesn't look very threatening....

Perhaps a trained military mind such as yourself can point out what made the above building such a threat such that it was bombed without approval from the civilian government.

Do you think the mission to kill Bin Laden could have been done without Presidential approval?

What does a threatening building look like then?

Bin Laden was with presidential approval as it required an incursion into a sovereign state. Like the SA incursions into Angola and the attacks on the ANC HQ in Lusaka.

Which other military actions do you believe would require presidential approval and would not be covered by a defence rapid response mandate?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Perhaps they feel there is more good to reporting some of the news on the ground in Gaza than none of it, you are asking me to speculate, and asking why people act a certain way when threatened by armed militants?

Why don't you tell me what you think?

You're full of speculation:

I think
Perhaps
Maybe
If

How about taking some facts on face value?

 

[Cray]

What does a threatening building look like then?

A military installation would probably count as one. Do you think the General in charge of the bombing campaign would unilaterally make a decision to bomb a building containing two international press agencies without clearing it with BN first?