Trevor Noah slammed for suggesting Israel not defend itself: 'You're downplaying the trauma of millions'

[Cray]

You're too young. You don't know..

Your obsession with age is disturbing, are you worried you missed the Catholic Priest training course induction?

 

[gottagoon]

Your obsession with age is disturbing, are you worried you missed the Catholic Priest training course induction?

Methodist. I don't go to church often anymore. Except for funerals etc.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Experience doesn't always equal competence...as you have demonstrated on a few occasions.

Maybe point out the parts of my post that you have issue with rather than just expecting everything to take your word for things because you have "military experience"?

Strange how someone who frequently moans about threads being "made about me" is also super quick to paint himself as an expert because of "experience"...

Oh, I see the thread becomes about me again.

It's pointed out that the Bin Laden operation had ten years of planning. The Gaza scenario is fast moving. See the difference?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Your obsession with age is disturbing, are you worried you missed the Catholic Priest training course induction?

Maybe your complete lack of military experience is influencing your opinions on military matters? Call of Duty experience doesn't count.

 

[gottagoon]

I'm like looking at death in the face.
You don't want to meet me. Cause you know your gonna die.

 

[Caliph]

So, according to YOU actual authentic sources are unreliable?

I don't know how many more times I have to say this. Do not talk about things that you are not equipped to talk about. Nothing wrong with the source. Simple question- what was the date (Lunar and Gregorian) of the incident of Khaybar and what was the date of the death (Lunar and Gregorian)?

 

[borro]

 

[Tokolotshe]

I don't know how many more times I have to say this. Do not talk about things that you are not equipped to talk about. Nothing wrong with the source. Simple question- what was the date (Lunar and Gregorian) of the incident of Khaybar and what was the date of the death (Lunar and Gregorian)?

So now you're arguing with Muhammad, telling him he was wrong?



The things you see here on myBB!

 

[Caliph]

So now you're arguing with Muhammad, telling him he was wrong?



The things you see here on myBB!

Follow the thread

 

[Tokolotshe]

Follow the thread

I am. That's why I'm having this chuckle ...

 

[adnaanhitman]

To answer both you and c4cat

Here's how it works. The israelis use what is known as counterbattery radar to track the incoming rockets and from their trajectories determine the position from which they were fired.

The next step is to attack that position either by artillery or airstrike in order to eliminate the source of the incoming rockets. The purpose is to stop the rockets, not kill people by the truckload. This is regarded in military circles as a defensive measure

hamas knows this. Israel has followed this model for some time.
If hamas either fired their rockets from uninhabited areas or evacuated non combatants before firing there would not be "civilian casualties.

Instead there always are and they always seem to include children.

The only logical conclusions are : 1. The israelies can't shoot for shirt, or, 2. hamas deliberately fire from places that will result in "civilian" casualties when the counter battery fire arrives. This gives them ammunition to scream "victim" and gain international support for them and condemnation for israel.

There is much argument as to which of these two is actually happening.

The fact that israel has installed the hugely expensive "Iron Dome" anti missile/rocket defence system when they could have just bought more shells to fire at Gaza speaks volumes.

Short version, the children fired no rockets. A great many people think they are kept close to the firing positions as a kind of human shield. The israeli practice of counter battery fire is so well known that if hamas had any intention of protecting peacefull palestinians they would shoot from where there were none.

Or maybe the israelis just cant shoot straight.

Good point. But how can Hamas fire missiles from places that are unoccupied after Israel has taken so much of their land & every last square meter is occupied by civilians, including Hamas. It is such a densely populated region with zero town-planners, or infrastructure(its all been destroyed). Think of sardines in a can. They don't even have space for a military base, which could be a means of keeping their "military" separate & the civilians away from danger. But thanks to Israel they don't have this luxury & Israel knows it. Yet they still fire into civilian areas, killing Hamas fighters, but at the same time innocent people, including women, children & the elderly.
Just saying....

 

[Cray]

Maybe your complete lack of military experience is influencing your opinions on military matters? Call of Duty experience doesn't count.

1/10

 

[Cray]

Oh, I see the thread becomes about me again.

If you want to keep harping on about your military experience then yes, the thread will become about you, that's the point.

 

[sand_man]

Good point. But how can Hamas fire missiles from places that are unoccupied after Israel has taken so much of their land & every last square meter is occupied by civilians, including Hamas. It is such a densely populated region with zero town-planners, or infrastructure(its all been destroyed). Think of sardines in a can. They don't even have space for a military base, which could be a means of keeping their "military" separate & the civilians away from danger. But thanks to Israel they don't have this luxury & Israel knows it. Yet they still fire into civilian areas, killing Hamas fighters, but at the same time innocent people, including women, children & the elderly.
Just saying....

How about they refrain from firing missiles, period?

 

[Tokolotshe]

Good point. But how can Hamas fire missiles from places that are unoccupied after Israel has taken so much of their land & every last square meter is occupied by civilians, including Hamas. It is such a densely populated region with zero town-planners, or infrastructure(its all been destroyed). Think of sardines in a can. They don't even have space for a military base, which could be a means of keeping their "military" separate & the civilians away from danger. But thanks to Israel they don't have this luxury & Israel knows it. Yet they still fire into civilian areas, killing Hamas fighters, but at the same time innocent people, including women, children & the elderly.
Just saying....

If it's so complex, maybe you're asking the wrong question.

How about Hamas not firing missiles at innocent civilians across the fence, also killing some of their own in the process?

See - easy peasy - once you start thinking correctly.

 

[Tokolotshe]

How about they refrain from firing missiles, period?

Snap!

Sometimes the answers are so self evident, the whole (forum - 3) has a moment where they're doing a facepalm.

 

[Bonywasawarrioraway]

Good point. But how can Hamas fire missiles from places that are unoccupied after Israel has taken so much of their land & every last square meter is occupied by civilians, including Hamas. It is such a densely populated region with zero town-planners, or infrastructure(its all been destroyed). Think of sardines in a can. They don't even have space for a military base, which could be a means of keeping their "military" separate & the civilians away from danger. But thanks to Israel they don't have this luxury & Israel knows it. Yet they still fire into civilian areas, killing Hamas fighters, but at the same time innocent people, including women, children & the elderly.
Just saying....

I was answering to the physics of how civilians are hit. your questions is political in nature. However you only have a point IF and only IF it is absolutely necessary for hamas to fire those rockets in the first place.

 

[Bonywasawarrioraway]

It took the US military ten years to find and kill Bin Laden in an isolated compound. In a rapidly evolving conflict like in Gaza with assets being moved around and hidden constantly, how recent does intelligence of a location have to be?

I take it you have military experience and have been part of operational planning in order to make the comment you did?

On the contrary. That question, and others like it, display either an astonishing ignorance of military practicalities, or a deliberate intransigence in debating them.

 

[Cray]

I'm like looking at death in the face.
You don't want to meet me. Cause you know your gonna die.

Well, that escalated quickly....

 

[Bonywasawarrioraway]

Sunan Abi Dawud 4512

Narrated Abu Hurairah:
So a Jewess presented him at Khaybar with a roasted sheep which she had poisoned. The Messenger of Allah ate of it and the people also ate.

He then said: Take away your hands (from the food), for it has informed me that it is poisoned. Bishr ibn al-Bara' ibn Ma'rur al-Ansari died.

So he (the Prophet) sent for the Jewess (and said to her): What motivated you to do the work you have done?

She said: If you were a prophet, it would not harm you; but if you were a king, I should rid the people of you. The Messenger of Allah then ordered regarding her and she was killed. He then said about the pain of which he died: I continued to feel pain from the morsel which I had eaten at Khaybar. This is the time when it has cut off my aorta.

Most readily available sources simply say he fell ill and died. reading that narrative sounds like tales of some of our politicians that had to go to russia for treatment for "poisoning".