Trevor Noah slammed for suggesting Israel not defend itself: 'You're downplaying the trauma of millions'

[Cray]

It's paintball bruh, you telling me you don't aim for hands, crotch, and face masks?

I usually play with mates, going out my way to inflict the most painful hit is not really an objective. However in your case I could be tempted to make an exception....

 

[Vorastra]

I usually play with mates, going out my way to inflict the most painful hit is not really an objective. However in your case I could be tempted to make an exception....

Are your mates, your sister and her friends?
Don't gaslight me! This is normal!

 

[Cray]

Are your mates, your sister and her friends?
Don't gaslight me! This is normal!

First I've heard of this, don't play often at all but some of the arenas I have played at will throw you out if you deliberately aim for the head/crotch at close range.

 

[Vorastra]

First I've heard of this, don't play often at all but some of the arenas I have played at will throw you out if you deliberately aim for the head/crotch at close range.

Exactly. I'm not trying to stop the guys from having children, Jesus.

Close range hits like that, is just being a toolbag.

I got hit in the hands once just around a corner. I couldn't even move my hands for a few minutes. To be fair, I had no gloves on so...that's my mistake.

 

[Desig]

Exactly. I'm not trying to stop the guys from having children, Jesus.

Close range hits like that, is just being a toolbag.

I got hit in the hands once just around a corner. I couldn't even move my hands for a few minutes. To be fair, I had no gloves on so...that's my mistake.

Happened a few times. $uckers shouldn't go for the hands. Was cold. Didn't even know I was bleeding

 

[Bonywasawarrioraway]

Go to the sources pal - it clearly says the poisoning kick-started an illness that eventually led to this death. It doesn't say he dropped dead on the spot.
And 63 is unusual since he was given the strength of 100 men to satisfy his wives

Do you disagree with this part as well?

63 was OLD age in the seventh century, really old.

As for the strength of 100 men..... how was this established? did he simultaneously arm-wrestle that many? of are we relying on religious texts for that? strength does also not equal longevity IMHO. As far as I am aware the emnity dates back to a betrayal of some sort by the jewish population of somewhere or other i really couldn't be bothered to look. I had simply never heard the poisoning story before today, and it sounds really convenient.
The shambolic writings about the sayings of a man who's organisation immediately went to war with itself upon his death just don't fill me with historic certainty. Sounds like the shembe church.

And yes, I know christianity has an even longer history of splits, divisions, schisms and war. Most of these things have to do with power and money and precious little to do with God.

just my two randelas (adjusted for inflation)

 

[3Gee]

@mods , time to shutdown this chat. The entire discussion has been derailed.

 

[lived666]

@mods , time to shutdown this chat. The entire discussion has been derailed.

Who made you the fun police? Just leave..you like the people that watch porn on tv and then call in to complain.

 

[sand_man]

Should have been locked a week ago. This thread has killed more keyboard warriors than Hamas has Israeli soldiers...

 

[3Gee]

Who made you the fun police? Just leave..you like the people that watch porn on tv and then call in to complain.

There is a world above that bunker you hiding in

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Good point. But how can Hamas fire missiles from places that are unoccupied after Israel has taken so much of their land & every last square meter is occupied by civilians, including Hamas. It is such a densely populated region with zero town-planners, or infrastructure(its all been destroyed). Think of sardines in a can. They don't even have space for a military base, which could be a means of keeping their "military" separate & the civilians away from danger. But thanks to Israel they don't have this luxury & Israel knows it. Yet they still fire into civilian areas, killing Hamas fighters, but at the same time innocent people, including women, children & the elderly.
Just saying....

Hamas has large areas of desert they can fire from in the Gaza Strip.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

If you want to keep harping on about your military experience then yes, the thread will become about you, that's the point.

My military experience allows me to make assessments you are unqualified to make. Ignorance does not equal experience nor knowledge, no matter how PC it is to all have participated in a race.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

On the contrary. That question, and others like it, display either an astonishing ignorance of military practicalities, or a deliberate intransigence in debating them.

Yet those with absolutely no military training nor experience will continue making a military analysis of the situation and self declaring their analysis and opinion valid.

 

[Cray]

My military experience allows me to make assessments you are unqualified to make. Ignorance does not equal experience nor knowledge, no matter how PC it is to all have participated in a race.

This is a discussion forum, there is no such thing as qualifications here, if you feel your experience makes your assessment superior go ahead and make your case and I will listen but am not just going to accept your judgement on a situation just because you say that you have military experience.

That goes doubly in a thread where you have come down very firmly on one side of the debate without accepting even a hint of criticism of your chosen side.

 

[azbob]

This is a discussion forum, there is no such thing as qualifications here, if you feel your experience makes your assessment superior go ahead and make your case and I will listen but am not just going to accept your judgement on a situation just because you say that you have military experience.

I’m sorry but he surpasses you in both military and discussion forum experience. Do you know that he has over 75000 disqus posts? You’re out of your depth.

 

[Bonywasawarrioraway]

Am confused, a densely populated area would deter most militaries from a bombing strike for fear of hitting innocents... The US could easily have wiped out Obama's compound with minimal collateral damage yet they chose to send in the Seals. They did this because they didn't know for certain Bin Laden was there and to avoid innocent deaths In another country, if only the IDF had such restraint.

Israel are hitting targets that are far more difficult to destroy without collateral damage yet they choose the bombing option time and again...

"US could easily have wiped out Obama's compound"
Pretty sure you didn't mean that.

Virtually ANY position in Gaza can be reached by artillery from well within Israel. This is not true of Pakistan for the USA. Abbotabad cannot be targeted by artillery based outside of pakistan. Air strike or cruise missile strike were an option but confirmation of results would have been impossible. Therefore the boots on the ground option.
The seal team was helicoptered in.
The compound was open and uncluttered by Hamas standards and they still managed to crash one of the helicopters. Israel cannot afford losses like that.

USA had complete surprise since bin laden didn't control pakistan's air defence system and the pakistanis were asleep.
Israel will not have this advantage as their attacks are a response to hamas actions. Hamas can therefore fire a rocket and then sit back and wait for the israelis to come and massacre them when they do.

Using the air assault model in Gaza also has the problem of where to land and exposes low and slow flying helicopters to shoulder fired weapons. See the battle of mogadishu for all the problems this introduces.
It is a requirement for the Israelis that their retaliation does not get all of their troops killed.

There just isn't a viable way to target the hamas sites without civilian casualties. Which is exactly what hamas wants. They WANT those casualties, they rejoice in them. Because they trigger condemnation of Israel.

 

[Tokolotshe]

"US could easily have wiped out Obama's compound"
Pretty sure you didn't mean that.

Virtually ANY position in Gaza can be reached by artillery from well within Israel. This is not true of Pakistan for the USA. Abbotabad cannot be targeted by artillery based outside of pakistan. Air strike or cruise missile strike were an option but confirmation of results would have been impossible. Therefore the boots on the ground option.
The seal team was helicoptered in.
The compound was open and uncluttered by Hamas standards and they still managed to crash one of the helicopters. Israel cannot afford losses like that.

USA had complete surprise since bin laden didn't control pakistan's air defence system and the pakistanis were asleep.
Israel will not have this advantage as their attacks are a response to hamas actions. Hamas can therefore fire a rocket and then sit back and wait for the israelis to come and massacre them when they do.

Using the air assault model in Gaza also has the problem of where to land and exposes low and slow flying helicopters to shoulder fired weapons. See the battle of mogadishu for all the problems this introduces.
It is a requirement for the Israelis that their retaliation does not get all of their troops killed.

There just isn't a viable way to target the hamas sites without civilian casualties. Which is exactly what hamas wants. They WANT those casualties, they rejoice in them. Because they trigger condemnation of Israel.

Also add:
Bin Laden was a single target. Hamas is a multi-headed hydra always moving about camouflaged in civilian clothes. Uniforms are for parades only.

 

[Cray]

"US could easily have wiped out Obama's compound"
Pretty sure you didn't mean that.

Eish lol, yeah my bad

Virtually ANY position in Gaza can be reached by artillery from well within Israel. This is not true of Pakistan for the USA. Abbotabad cannot be targeted by artillery based outside of pakistan. Air strike or cruise missile strike were an option but confirmation of results would have been impossible. Therefore the boots on the ground option.
The seal team was helicoptered in.
The compound was open and uncluttered by Hamas standards and they still managed to crash one of the helicopters. Israel cannot afford losses like that.

USA had complete surprise since bin laden didn't control pakistan's air defence system and the pakistanis were asleep.
Israel will not have this advantage as their attacks are a response to hamas actions. Hamas can therefore fire a rocket and then sit back and wait for the israelis to come and massacre them when they do.

Using the air assault model in Gaza also has the problem of where to land and exposes low and slow flying helicopters to shoulder fired weapons. See the battle of mogadishu for all the problems this introduces.
It is a requirement for the Israelis that their retaliation does not get all of their troops killed.

There just isn't a viable way to target the hamas sites without civilian casualties. Which is exactly what hamas wants. They WANT those casualties, they rejoice in them. Because they trigger condemnation of Israel.

All of that is true, and I agree, Hamas does want those casualties, but the IDF is supposed to be moral when compared to terrorists, it's hard to argue that when their strikes keep killing civilians. I know collateral damage seems acceptable, that doesn't make the killing of innocent people any better.

 

[Tokolotshe]

Eish lol, yeah my bad

Don't worry. They all look the same to me as well.




/s for the slow witted PC folks

 

[Bonywasawarrioraway]

Eish lol, yeah my bad


All of that is true, and I agree, Hamas does want those casualties, but the IDF is supposed to be moral when compared to terrorists, it's hard to argue that when their strikes keep killing civilians. I know collateral damage seems acceptable, that doesn't make the killing of innocent people any better.

You are absolutely right.
Now put yourself in the shoes of the elected govt of Israel.
If the take the higher ground position and avoid innocent deaths by doing nothing? They will not be re-elected, in fact they may be lucky to survive their current term.
If they take every precaution practical ie roofknocker warnings and extremely precise counter strikes they may limit casualties and by diplomacy point out that most of those casualties are due to hamas operating in built up areas and preventing evacuation.

Pretty sure I know what I would do. There is no real alternative. A boots on the ground campaign would be catastrophically costly in lives.