Trevor Noah slammed for suggesting Israel not defend itself: 'You're downplaying the trauma of millions'

[Cray]

Oh I see, lies by omission again. Favourite tactic of the left. Why haven't you ever mentioned Palestinian wrongs to balance the Israeli wrongs whenever you lambast Israel?

Care to quote where you have criticized Isreal in this thread?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Errr I don't know? Wait, let me go check quickly. What kind of absurd question is this?

Side stepping, deflection and obfuscation as expected:

Tawriya;
Deceit by ambiguity - Doublespeak, refusing to give straight answers, exploiting conflicts of definition etc.

Kitman;
Deceit by omission - withholding key information.

Just answer if there are any pro Israel reporters allowed in Gaza and why no freedom of movement for them is guaranteed by Hamas?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

When you run out of arguments accuse people of antisemitism, expected more from you, not sure why, but i did.

Anti Semitism is not confined to the Jews.

 

[Vrotappel]

Palestine comes from no known root in Arabic, it has absolutely no Arabic meaning or origin. Even in its Arabic form, philastin, it’s just pronouncing with an Arabic intonation a word which came from another language.

That language happens to be Latin and the name Arabs took their Arabized form from is Palestina.

After the Jewish-Roman war of 66-73 (yes, Jews, not Arab Muslims), the Romans thought they were done with the ‘Jewish problem’ until a new rebellion started in 132 and ended in 135 with the complete destruction of the Jewish resistance at the hands of Emperor Hadrian.

He understood that as long as Jews would long for their homeland, they would be trouble for the Roman Empire and the way to cut the bond between the Jews and their land was by changing its name and the name of the towns that held a deep meaning for Jews.

He renamed Judea and Galilee: Syria-Palestina and renamed Jerusalem: Aelia Capitolina.

He did not choose the name Palestina at random.

He knew that until the time of King David, the Children of Israel main enemies were the Philistines, a group of white European seafarers who came from the Aegean Sea (probably the island of Crete).

They formed on the south western shore of Israel a narrow strip of land (sound familiar?) which contained 5 city states: Rafah, Gaza, Ashkelon, Ashdod and Gath.

The Hebrews called them Phelishtim (hence the Anglicized Philistines) from the Hebrew root PH L SH which forms the verb Liphlosh or to invade.

Basically, Phelishtim (philistines) means invaders.

So, this is the name that Emperor Hadrian chose, knowing full well the deep animosity and hatred there had been in the past between the Jews and the Philistines.

Palestine is therefore a name used by anyone who whishes to erase the Jewish history and culture of this land.

It is an act of anti-semitism.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Did you even look at the wiki article? British mandate for Palestine..

Date effective	29 September 1923
Repealed	15 May 1948

So exactly the period that I was discussing.

Palestine refers to a territory, not a country nor nationality.

 

[Vrotappel]

After the fall of the western Roman Empire, Palestine (the region) came under the control of the Christian Byzantine Empire.

In the 7th century, the Arabs came out of the Arab peninsula and invaded the rest of the Middle East, in places that until then had no Arab population like Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt, North Africa, Italy, Spain and France.

The region of Palestine was under the control of various Caliphates until it was briefly under the crusader’s control and Caliphates again until the 16th century where it came under Ottoman control until 1917.

All the time the region of Palestine was under Muslim control, not ONCE did they tried to create a Palestinian State with Jerusalem as its capital, NOT ONCE.

After the end of the 1948-49 war, the Jewish State of Israel was de facto what was under Jewish control and what was not was Muslim.

Judea-Samaria was occupied by Jordan and the Gaza Strip by Egypt.

From 1948 to 1967, why didn’t the so-called Palestinians create a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as capital?

It was under Muslim control the whole time.

In my short historical recap. One fact is clearly flagrant.

AT NO POINT WAS THERE EVER A PALESTINIAN STATE, like ever.

Don’t get fooled by fairytales of the evil Zionists stealing the land of the Palestinians, we stole nothing and we came home to take back what was always ours.

 

[Cosmik Debris]

Care to quote where you have criticized Isreal in this thread?

I haven't. I'm not arguing their side. I'm arguing the Hamas culpability.

 

[Grant]

Lol. Leave pro Israel - how many pro Palestine journalists in Gaza? It is such big hassle for residents to come and go to their own homes, you can imagine how difficult it is for outsiders.

Edut: again with the could and woulds. Can we deal with with facts and not assumptions?

How about a video instead instead continually sidestepping and dancing about - just 1 Pro Israel video from Gaza

 

[Cray]

I haven't. I'm not arguing their side. I'm arguing the Hamas culpability.

So you are making an argument about someone else only criticizing one side of the conflict while doing exactly the same thing yourself?

 

[Cray]

After the fall of the western Roman Empire, Palestine (the region) came under the control of the Christian Byzantine Empire.

In the 7th century, the Arabs came out of the Arab peninsula and invaded the rest of the Middle East, in places that until then had no Arab population like Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq, Egypt, North Africa, Italy, Spain and France.

The region of Palestine was under the control of various Caliphates until it was briefly under the crusader’s control and Caliphates again until the 16th century where it came under Ottoman control until 1917.

All the time the region of Palestine was under Muslim control, not ONCE did they tried to create a Palestinian State with Jerusalem as its capital, NOT ONCE.

After the end of the 1948-49 war, the Jewish State of Israel was de facto what was under Jewish control and what was not was Muslim.

Judea-Samaria was occupied by Jordan and the Gaza Strip by Egypt.

From 1948 to 1967, why didn’t the so-called Palestinians create a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as capital?

It was under Muslim control the whole time.

In my short historical recap. One fact is clearly flagrant.

AT NO POINT WAS THERE EVER A PALESTINIAN STATE, like ever.

Don’t get fooled by fairytales of the evil Zionists stealing the land of the Palestinians, we stole nothing and we came home to take back what was always ours.

For those who want to know where you copied and pasted this from....

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-non-existent-history-of-a-palestinian-state/

 

[Cosmik Debris]

So you are making an argument about someone else only criticizing one side of the conflict while doing exactly the same thing yourself?

Why haven't you called @Caliph out for doing the same? Your bias showing?

 

[Cosmik Debris]

For those who want to know where you copied and pasted this from....

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-non-existent-history-of-a-palestinian-state/

Does the source matter if it's factual?

 

[Cray]

Does the source matter if it's factual?

It's not.

 

[Vrotappel]

For those who want to know where you copied and pasted this from....

https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/the-non-existent-history-of-a-palestinian-state/

I have provided the source in an earlier post.

 

[Vrotappel]

It's not.

What is not factual?

 

[Cray]

Why haven't you called @Caliph out for doing the same? Your bias showing?

Because he has admitted that Hamas doesn't have a clean record...

Nobody ever claimed (certainly not me) in these threads that 'Hamas has got a clean record'. Nor did I infer/claim the moral high ground on their side.

 

[Cray]

I have provided the source in an earlier post.

Post number?

 

[Vorastra]

So based on the posts in this thread, i'm assuming all the Israeli supporters are in favor of land expropriation without compensation?

It's like you have no clue what you're talking about. Israel takes back land that's illegal settled by Palestinian squatters, which is different to the the ANC taking land that never belonged to them.

 

[Vrotappel]

Post number?

#1586

 

[Tokolotshe]

And the journalism world are up in arms in shock and horror - one reporter given the boot.

Nope, they just returned a boot. She kicked first and that started the shenanigans. Ala "Don't you hit me" style ...