Trevor Noah slammed for suggesting Israel not defend itself: 'You're downplaying the trauma of millions'

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Vorastra said:
It's like you have no clue what you're talking about. Israel takes back land that's illegal settled by Palestinian squatters, which is different to the the ANC taking land that never belonged to them.
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So Palestinian home owners who even have the title deeds to their homes are squatters...
 
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Caliph said:
Maybe any kind of media reporting is being suppressed? I'm seeing a lot of maybes, coulds and woulds lately.


Nice that you bring this up. Here's 2 (victims) residents of Shiekh Jarrah that are currently posting the atrocities that is happening there. What happens? They get arrested on some silly charges and have to be released as there is nothing of substance to the charges. Coming back to media suppression.

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Israel arrests Palestinian activist Muna el-Kurd in East Jerusalem

Muna el-Kurd, a voice of protest against moves to evict Palestinians, was questioned and released.
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Damn, I wish that female soldier that the reporter kicked had been trained by this cop, then she and you would have really have a reason to be hurt:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1392197371870679042
 
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Caliph said:
Lol. Leave pro Israel - how many pro Palestine journalists in Gaza? It is such big hassle for residents to come and go to their own homes, you can imagine how difficult it is for outsiders.

Edut: again with the could and woulds. Can we deal with with facts and not assumptions?
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So difficult, that they set up a happy family home office with Hamas?
 
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Caliph said:
Maybe any kind of media reporting is being suppressed? I'm seeing a lot of maybes, coulds and woulds lately.


Nice that you bring this up. Here's 2 (victims) residents of Shiekh Jarrah that are currently posting the atrocities that is happening there. What happens? They get arrested on some silly charges and have to be released as there is nothing of substance to the charges. Coming back to media suppression.

www.google.com

Israel arrests Palestinian activist Muna el-Kurd in East Jerusalem

Muna el-Kurd, a voice of protest against moves to evict Palestinians, was questioned and released.
www.google.com
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Israel just doing security protocol so nothing to see here folks.
Real News would be if they were taken to a dark alley and shot point blank multiple times. Bodies dragged to the town square for all to see and fear. Oh wait that would be Hamas not IDF.
 
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FrankCastle said:
Did a country of Palestine with clearly defined borders and a central government ever exist?
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Does any of that matter to the refugees who can't return to the land of their birth because Israel says no?

And the same Israeli government allows anyone of Jewish ancestry to move Israel but not Palestinians who where born or there, are people wonder why they describe Israel as an apartheid state?

I'll bet modern day Americans tell themselves similar lies when they try justify dispossessing Native Americans of their territory.
 
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Cray said:
Does any of that matter to the refugees who can't return to the land of their birth because Israel says no?

And the same Israeli government allows anyone of Jewish ancestry to move Israel but not Palestinians who where born or there, are people wonder why they describe Israel as an apartheid state?
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You can't just let anyone back in - some want to return to their land peacefully whilst others are hell bent on the destruction of Israel.
Who do you trust?

Majority of Palestinians were born after 1967 so what land of birth are you referring to?
 
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FrankCastle said:
You can't just let anyone back in - some want to return to their land peacefully whilst others are hell bent on the destruction of Israel.
Who do you trust?
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People are innocent until proven guilty, Israel trusts Jewish people to return even though they haven't been near the middle east in generations but won't allow the return of people whose parents where born there because they might be terrorists?

Is that sort of moral judgement based on race defensible in your mind?
 
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Cray said:
Does any of that matter to the refugees who can't return to the land of their birth because Israel says no?

And the same Israeli government allows anyone of Jewish ancestry to move Israel but not Palestinians who where born or there, are people wonder why they describe Israel as an apartheid state?

I'll bet modern day Americans tell themselves similar lies when they try justify dispossessing Native Americans of their territory.
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Modern Americans are trying to dispossess Native Americans of their territory? I thought they owned territory that is so sacrosanct it is beyond US law? Now you tell me someone is trying to take it? Any sources for that?
 
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Cray said:
People are innocent until proven guilty, Israel trusts Jewish people to return even though they haven't been near the middle east in generations but won't allow the return of people whose parents where born there because they might be terrorists?

Is that sort of moral judgement based on race defensible in your mind?
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Going to Israel for a Jew is not automatic residency. I know of people that have been trying to help a Jew emigrate to Israel for years. The Israeli government requires the same as any other country does for immigration by Jews.
 
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Cosmik Debris said:
Going to Israel for a Jew is not automatic residency. I know of people that have been trying to help a Jew emigrate to Israel for years. The Israeli government requires the same as any other country does for immigration by Jews.
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No, just need to prove you Jewish and you granted citizenship under the law of return.
 
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Cosmik Debris said:
Going to Israel for a Jew is not automatic residency. I know of people that have been trying to help a Jew emigrate to Israel for years. The Israeli government requires the same as any other country does for immigration by Jews.
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Aliyah disagrees with you.
 
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Cray said:
People are innocent until proven guilty, Israel trusts Jewish people to return even though they haven't been near the middle east in generations but won't allow the return of people whose parents where born there because they might be terrorists?

Is that sort of moral judgement based on race defensible in your mind?
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Who said they committed any crime, but they do pose a possible threat.
Remember how Hamas caught the Israelis napping during the Intifadas?
They won't make the same mistake.

You haven't answered my question - who should be allowed to return and where should they come back to?
 
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A Jewish mate of mine got divorced and retrenched all within the last 2 years. He mailed his cv out to probably close on 40 companies and got 2 replies but not a single interview.

Decided f uck this, I'm going to live in Israel. Within 3 months he had a passport and was boarding an El AL flight to Israel. He was quarantined in a hotel for 2 weeks all expenses paid and given an allowance for the next 6 months. He has 6 months to basically find a graft and get on his feet. He's already had 3 or 4 interviews but no employment as yet.
 
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sand_man said:
Has he got a criminal record? Maybe he's related to Cray and is regarded as a risk to national security?
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No idea. He's so disliked the entire town has been trying to help him emigrate to Israel. Disliked for his persona, not for being Jewish.
 
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