Trevor Noah slammed for suggesting Israel not defend itself: 'You're downplaying the trauma of millions'

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Cray said:
Not automatic no, they can be denied for various reasons but they have a route to residency that is denied to Palestinians.
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Because the Palestinians are actually from surrounding countries and have residency there.
 
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Not all Palestinians, If Israel offered a path to residency for Palestinians and excluded those with known terrorist links I would have zero issues with it.
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There are "Palestinian" citizens in Israel.
 
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Did you miss the part where I clearly said that I had no issue with excluding people with terrorist links? If the applicants pledged to live in Israel peacefully and have no criminal record then what is the issue? Or do you regard every Palestinian as genocidal?
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There are Israeli citizens as you describe. Your suggestion is moot.
 
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The Israelis were not the aggressors in the latest violence, which this thread was about. Therefore no criticism in this thread. If you read other threads, you will see I am one of few people that will call the Jews out on their dishonest appropriation of anti Semitic status and the dishonest monopoly on tragedy they maintain for own advantage.
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You don't think killing civilians as part of their bombing campaign is worthy of criticism?
 
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Spizz said:
How would you suppose they stop that?
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I don't know, maybe not drop bombs in civilian populated areas? What is your solution, keep killing innocent people and shrugging their shoulders saying "Whoops, my bad..."
 
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I don't know, maybe not drop bombs in civilian populated areas? What is your solution, keep killing innocent people and shrugging their shoulders saying "Whoops, my bad..."
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Oh no, far from it. And you may not have realised but your comment works for both sides, and hence the continuation of this situation into perpetuity. How many years have you been taking sides and how many years have you being saying the same thing? You are blaming Israel, others are blaming Palestinians. So of course you don't know, there is no answer from one point or the other. If you want to save people, we have to drop the politics and that is something that no-one seems to be prepared to do. Yourself included. Sitting here arguing about who is worse ffs. They are all a bunch or bastards except as far as I can see there is only one side using people as pawns and hoping that people like you take up their fight. Very noble as it may be. But it's what they want. They want people to blame Israel for everything because it suits their end goal. And the end goal is not about the people of Palestine living in peace and prosperity, it's about the destruction of Israel. The Palestinians could be living in perfect peace and harmony tomorrow if their "leaders" allowed it. The world would flock to a peaceful Gaza and WB where the aid was not controlled by terrorists. But no, because good people like you are being fooled into thinking there is only one side who is the problem.

So yes, I know what the solution is. It's a peaceful Palestinian leadership with their cards on the table. The Israeli's want lasting and meaningful security. That's all.

The only other solution on this current path is the destruction of Israel. And I wonder how the people blaming Israel for the continuation of this mess would feel if Israel was hit with a nuke or a dirty bomb and millions died? Is the destruction of one people a good price to pay for the freedom of another?
 
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abzob said:
I don’t understand why you guys want the violence to end? Are you not aware that peace in the Middle East is one of the signs of the end of the world? Let them keep fighting, it doesn’t affect us. Stopping would.
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Yeah ****em as long as you're ok everything is just peachy..
 
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Oh no, far from it. And you may not have realised but your comment works for both sides, and hence the continuation of this situation into perpetuity. How many years have you been taking sides and how many years have you being saying the same thing? You are blaming Israel, others are blaming Palestinians. So of course you don't know, there is no answer from one point or the other. If you want to save people, we have to drop the politics and that is something that no-one seems to be prepared to do. Yourself included. Sitting here arguing about who is worse ffs. They are all a bunch or bastards except as far as I can see there is only one side using people as pawns and hoping that people like you take up their fight. Very noble as it may be. But it's what they want. They want people to blame Israel for everything because it suits their end goal. And the end goal is not about the people of Palestine living in peace and prosperity, it's about the destruction of Israel. The Palestinians could be living in perfect peace and harmony tomorrow if their "leaders" allowed it. The world would flock to a peaceful Gaza and WB where the aid was not controlled by terrorists. But no, because good people like you are being fooled into thinking there is only one side who is the problem.
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How much of this thread have you even read? I have had a go at Hamas more than a few times... They are a blight on humanity and that the Palestinians would be much better off if the whole Hamas leadership died in a fire...

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So yes, I know what the solution is. It's a peaceful Palestinian leadership with their cards on the table. The Israeli's want lasting and meaningful security. That's all.
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Am sure they do, am sure they would love it if Palestinians were peaceful and docile while Isreal keeps on stealing territory in the West Bank... Do you think Palestinians should just shrug and smile despite corraled into ever-smaller territories?

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The only other solution on this current path is the destruction of Israel. And I wonder how the people blaming Israel for the continuation of this mess would feel if Israel was hit with a nuke or a dirty bomb and millions died? Is the destruction of one people a good price to pay for the freedom of another?
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Am quite sure that I have made it clear than I am against innocent people dying...
 
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The only other solution on this current path is the destruction of Israel. And I wonder how the people blaming Israel for the continuation of this mess would feel if Israel was hit with a nuke or a dirty bomb and millions died?
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There would be fake shock & outrage while smiling inside followed by quietly slinking off until the next issue that requires their outrage.
 
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How much of this thread have you even read? I have had a go at Hamas more than a few times... They are a blight on humanity and that the Palestinians would be much better off if the whole Hamas leadership died in a fire...


Am sure they do, am sure they would love it if Palestinians were peaceful and docile while Isreal keeps on stealing territory in the West Bank... Do you think Palestinians should just shrug and smile despite corraled into ever-smaller territories?



Am quite sure that I have made it clear than I am against innocent people dying...
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Yeah, sorry man. I'm not really aiming this at you. You seem to have the same outlook as me and just the same as people look at you for being a Palestinian apologist, I know people have the same idea about me for the other side.

Meanwhile back at the ranch people are dying every day, month and year and MyBB are all arguing about who is worse. Ag, just makes me sick.
 
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Yeah, sorry man. I'm not really aiming this at you. You seem to have the same outlook as me and just the same as people look at you for being a Palestinian apologist, I know people have the same idea about me for the other side.

Meanwhile back at the ranch people are dying every day, month and year and MyBB are all arguing about who is worse. Ag, just makes me sick.
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All good man, these threads have a way of getting very polarised, and I really have no idea where the region can go from here.... :(
 
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Spizz said:
Yeah, sorry man. I'm not really aiming this at you. You seem to have the same outlook as me and just the same as people look at you for being a Palestinian apologist, I know people have the same idea about me for the other side.

Meanwhile back at the ranch people are dying every day, month and year and MyBB are all arguing about who is worse. Ag, just makes me sick.
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I think the majority of us agree with you and it isn't about "sides", it's about how much people are suffering. Nobody gets satisfaction out of hearing somebody mutter words or winning an argument as it isn't going to change anything, it's just about understanding that both sides go through hell every day.
 
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