Trevor Noah slammed for suggesting Israel not defend itself: 'You're downplaying the trauma of millions'

Cray

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And yet most of the fighting does not stay there..... because their rockets just won't put.


:ROFL:

Hamas keeps starting the fights.... If Israel had been allowed to wipe them out there would be no occupation today.... there would be no need to occupy anything.
Yeah, people stopped Israel from committing genocide, bloody SJW's... :rolleyes:
 

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Yeah, people stopped Israel from committing genocide, bloody SJW's... :rolleyes:
Not the so called Palestinians which are actually Jordanians.... Hamas.

If someone keeps shooting at you, you shoot back until he is unable to shoot back..... otherwise he keeps shooting at you.

The logic is very simple.
 

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So you admitting by default that IDF is no better than Hama's.
No I am saying be honest with comparisons.... don't compare someone to an impossible ideal and then act surprise when that ideal is not met.
 

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Not the so called Palestinians which are actually Jordanians.... Hamas.

If someone keeps shooting at you, you shoot back until he is unable to shoot back..... otherwise he keeps shooting at you.

The logic is very simple.
Yeah but the soldiers are talking about the crimes they committed against ordinary civilians.

Gosh learn to read...
 

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Let me put this differently.

Saying the IDF should willingly disarm and stand down is the same as saying we should all hand in our weapons to the police.... the end result is the same.
 

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Let me put this differently.

Saying the IDF should willingly disarm and stand down is the same as saying we should all hand in our weapons to the police.... the end result is the same.
Telling the IDF to behave better and with more humanity towards Palestinians is not the same as asking them to disarm.
 

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Source for that?
Google usually helps.....

The history is complicated but most of them are actually ethnically Jordanian, recent immigrants during the last few hundred years driven by Islamic empires that never actually permanently settled.

Almost everything called Palestinian before the Jewish state...... actually referred to Jews. The original Palestinians were Jews not Arabs.

Palestinian did not refer to an ethnicity until the 1970's when the Palestinian ethnicity was invented.
 

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Maybe not defending but you sure as well justifying it...
Real life does not care about our subjective feelings....

Telling the IDF to behave better and with more humanity towards Palestinians is not the same as asking them to disarm.
That's is not what you are demanding, you are demanding they stop their military control of a region that constantly tries to kill them.

Think a moment about the psychology at play here.... if an army is staffed with people that from childhood figuratively has the barrel of a gun pointed their heads and always threatens to at any moment shoot..... why expect them to love their blood enemies when they grow up? Why not expect abuses?

On the other hand what you ignore is for the most part no Israeli steps foot outside of Israel.... the so called Palestinians are policed by Arabs and the IDF only acts as it needs to.

Furthermore it's fine to criticize the IDF.... but you must equally criticize Hamas and not ignore them in attempts to isolate IDF behaviour as if Hamas does not exist. The two armed forces exist in a symbiotic relationship after all.
 

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Google usually helps.....
I was just wondering which particular source you used because what you said is very much an controversial view touted by people who want to justify the expulsion of Palestinians from Israel.

The history is complicated but most of them are actually ethnically Jordanian, recent immigrants during the last few hundred years driven by Islamic empires that never actually permanently settled.

Almost everything called Palestinian before the Jewish state...... actually referred to Jews. The original Palestinians were Jews not Arabs.
Again, please cite your sources because "google" comes up with a number of results which say that this is a fantasy...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)

Population of Palestine

1922 - Jews 84 000, Muslims 589 000

1931 - Jews 175 000 Muslims 760 000

1947 - Jews 630 000 Muslims 1 181 000
 

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I would further point out that there is no ethnic difference between Germans and Austrians.... but they have separated themselves by culture and state which is why we consider them different.

The so called Palestinians attempted to seperate themselves from Jordan but thus far they have not actually managed to do so.... the effect has become that Jordan today is a Palestinian state more than Palestine is a Jordanian state.
 

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Did you miss the part where I clearly said that I had no issue with excluding people with terrorist links? If the applicants pledged to live in Israel peacefully and have no criminal record then what is the issue? Or do you regard every Palestinian as genocidal?
Honest questions:
How does a terrorist look?
How do you identify them if they wear civilian clothes?
How do you know they won't lie, live up to a pledge?
 

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I was just wondering which particular source you used because what you said is very much an controversial view touted by people who want to justify the expulsion of Palestinians from Israel.
The source does not matter in itself.

Again, please cite your sources because "google" comes up with a number of results which say that this is a fantasy...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_Palestine_(region)

Population of Palestine

1922 - Jews 84 000, Muslims 589 000

1931 - Jews 175 000 Muslims 760 000

1947 - Jews 630 000 Muslims 1 181 000
Ok.... try going back to about 0AD.... where the term Palestine originated..... was that speaking of a region or a people?

A further example being this which was majority Jewish, look at all those Jewish Palestinians.

The Arabs in Palestine never culturally or ethnically separated from Jordan.... they politically separated when it became a weapon to do so.
 

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Real life does not care about our subjective feelings....


That's is not what you are demanding, you are demanding they stop their military control of a region that constantly tries to kill them.

Think a moment about the psychology at play here.... if an army is staffed with people that from childhood figuratively has the barrel of a gun pointed their heads and always threatens to at any moment shoot..... why expect them to love their blood enemies when they grow up? Why not expect abuses?
Do you think Israel is blameless in earning that hatred form a populace they chased from their homes and have oppressed for 70 years?

On the other hand what you ignore is for the most part no Israeli steps foot outside of Israel.... the so called Palestinians are policed by Arabs and the IDF only acts as it needs to.
Yeah, no.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_occupation_of_the_West_Bank

According to an analysis by the Israeli think tank Molad in 2017, Israel deploys from 50% to 75% of its active IDF forces in the West Bank,[68] while only one third deals with Arab states, Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas and other perceived external threats[69] 80% of the former defend settlements, while 20% handle any behavior that Israel considers a security threat, including terrorism.[68]

They are deployed there mostly to protect all those illegal settlements in the West Bank.
 

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Honest questions:
How does a terrorist look?
How do you identify them if they wear civilian clothes?
How do you know they won't lie, live up to a pledge?
All of those questions could apply to anyone of any race, are you suggesting people of a certain race are more inclined to do any of that?

Background checks are done on Jewish immigrants coming to Israel, why can't similar checks be done on Palestinians wanting to return?
 

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Honest questions:
How does a terrorist look?
How do you identify them if they wear civilian clothes?
How do you know they won't lie, live up to a pledge?

Come on Sollie, it's not like a terrorist would lie after they pledge to not blow people up. It's all very simple according to some .... imagine all the atrocities that could have been avoided if they'd just asked hamarse and their ilk to just pledge to be good ;) Checks worked so well for France and UK and the other western countries you know.
 

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Do you think Israel is blameless in earning that hatred form a populace they chased from their homes and have oppressed for 70 years?
Do you think the population did not earn oppression for how they treated jews for centuries? Nothing happens in a vacuum

I spoke of police not IDF.... though I admit that they are deployed at strategic points.... the IDF does not police the people, they exercise military control.

They are deployed there mostly to protect all those illegal settlements in the West Bank.
If this is the full truth then they should not be there. I myself believe that all illegal settlers deserve to be attacked and worse.
 
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