True views on piracy

[Macguyver1]

I know people hate it when someone starts a thread on piracy, its like an unspoken hobby that almost all S.A gamers do. No one likes it when someone brings it up because most people don't think there is anything wrong with it.

I must admit that I can't stand people that pirate games, when friends tell me how they buy jewel case games for roughly R160 from a store or the fleemarket it drives me crazy, why pay money to someone that contributed nothing towards that game.

Then you get those gamers who get game images from their friends or who download games, the ones that don't consider it piracy cause they didn't purchase it.

Imagine you were on the other side of things, and you were a game developer that put years of effort and money into a game, and people just pirated your game left right and centre. To the point that you and your company decided that you would rather make console games where piracy is not as bad...

This is what is happening, a lot of PC game titles are being developed on consoles as the developers no longer want to bear the cost of everyone that pirates the game...

I would like to hear other peoples views on this, and even people who think there is some justification in piracy...

 

[AntiThesis]

I reckon you might misjudge the amount of console piracy that goes on. I may be wrong but I think it's pretty huge in a lot of places.

If I get a game illicitly (I don't buy from fleemarkets) I'll play it, see if I like it. If yes, probably buy it. If not, uninstall, delete and move on.

 

[fivelza]

Mac, please read this thread http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=54756 we all had a good go here.

IMHO....there is no excuse for piracy..it is just wrong!

 

[flarkit]

Ultimately, piracy is wrong and illegal. People argue that we're paying too much for games and therefore feel justified to steal them.

It's been proven that we're paying too much for cars here too, so why aren't people making "mod-keys" for cars and driving off with them from the suppliers? Oh, because it's illegal.

If you can't afford the games, then you shouldn't be playing them, unfortunately.

 

[nthdimension]

It's been proven that we're paying too much for cars here too, so why aren't people making "mod-keys" for cars and driving off with them from the suppliers?

I didn't know we had equipment for copying cars. What will a car scanner and a writer cost me? How much are blank cars? Can I buy them in spindles? Is there a printer available so I can print my own designs on them? Will these cars work on any road or only on modchipped roads?

 

[flarkit]

Will these cars work on any road or only on modchipped roads?

On any roads, but at the first toll-booth you pass, the engine will be disabled and the VIN will be black-listed.

 

[nthdimension]

On any roads, but at the first toll-booth you pass, the engine will be disabled and the VIN will be black-listed.

Well as long as the road doesn't get disabled, then all is well.

 

[doobiwan]

It's been proven that we're paying too much for cars here too, so why aren't people making "mod-keys" for cars and driving off with them from the suppliers? Oh, because it's illegal.

Well actually we are it's a form of piracy called hijacking . . . .

 

[fivelza]

Well actually we are it's a form of piracy called hijacking . . . .

Wicked Doobs..truly wicked

 

[eye_suc]

damn, now i have to throw away all those VHS recordings i made of movies that were aired on TV sad days, truly sad

 

[fivelza]

damn, now i have to throw away all those VHS recordings i made of movies that were aired on TV sad days, truly sad

you still use VHS

 

[w1z4rd]

Mac, please read this thread http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=54756 we all had a good go here.

IMHO....there is no excuse for piracy..it is just wrong!

So you think that corporations patenting the human genome is alright? You do not mind if a corporation owns a part of you?

For a single person to come up with an idea, over a trillion species would have had to come before that person, with non-stop interaction with the other trillions of species out there. On a more micro scale, one human can not come up with an idea without the support of every other human in his community and society.

Me thinks that Captain Copyright has you well trained. The only crime been committed here is HUMAN GREED. Nothing more. Nothing less. So your stance on this is to promote greed ahead of working together and humanity.

What about if say Microsoft develop a new ultra power source that could solve humanities power and poverty problems. Is it okay for Microsoft to sell that public only to the rich, rather than give it to the world?

Oh yeah, we are supporting the GREED again.

 

[doobiwan]

Firstly, they can't patent the genome, it's not a human construct, it's like patenting soil erosion.

Secondly, we're not talking about life saving drugs, we're talking about Entertainment. Games, music, movies, all frivolous distractions that you don't need. But it's YOUR Greed that makes you want what you can't have, so you will break the law to get it.

There are dozens of decent free games and bands out there that you can play or listen too, you want to STEAL someone else's work just to justify your covetous lust for shiny things.

 

[w1z4rd]

Firstly, they can't patent the genome, it's not a human construct, it's like patenting soil erosion.

You are wrong *cough* wake up. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/485951.stm

Secondly, we're not talking about life saving drugs, we're talking about Entertainment.

Good... are you able to draw the copyright line then? And I was not talking about life saving drugs either oom. I used the example of power.

Games, music, movies, all frivolous distractions that you don't need. But it's YOUR Greed that makes you want what you can't have, so you will break the law to get it.

I only play one game. Battlefield 2. Of which I have the expansion. I don't even have an MP3 on my hard disk. So where does my greed make me want what I do not have?

There are dozens of decent free games and bands out there that you can play or listen too, you want to STEAL someone else's work just to justify your covetous lust for shiny things.

I do not want the free game's, and in your poorly chosen words. I do not "steal".

I am pointing out where copyright and patents are leading. If you can not catch what I am trying to do, please don't respond with the complete inaccuracy you have just done. You sound just like a troll guessing things up. But I suppose that is the american way. Microsoft has you good and proper.

I will leave you with this little quote:

The U.S. Patent and Trademark Office issues patents on naturally occurring gene sequences. Conventional wisdom holds that these patents are not only legal, but highly desirable from a public policy perspective, as they have attracted investment to the biotech sector and are fueling the development of next-generation diagnostics and therapeutics. But the problem with conventional wisdom is that, left unchecked, it almost invariably evolves to the point where the convention far outweighs the wise.

http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1039054490790

 

[fivelza]

So you think that corporations patenting the human genome is alright? You do not mind if a corporation owns a part of you?

For a single person to come up with an idea, over a trillion species would have had to come before that person, with non-stop interaction with the other trillions of species out there. On a more micro scale, one human can not come up with an idea without the support of every other human in his community and society.

Me thinks that Captain Copyright has you well trained. The only crime been committed here is HUMAN GREED. Nothing more. Nothing less. So your stance on this is to promote greed ahead of working together and humanity.

What about if say Microsoft develop a new ultra power source that could solve humanities power and poverty problems. Is it okay for Microsoft to sell that public only to the rich, rather than give it to the world?

Oh yeah, we are supporting the GREED again.

Wiz, my brain may be a small to try and unpack all the points you throw so eloquently together

Why is it human greed to develop something and expect to paid for it? Agreed the pricing of such would always be an issue. My point speaks specifically to piracy/copying/obtaining illegally/stealing of games i.e. I guess intellectual property.

Would you be happy if someone plagiarised your work?

 

[nthdimension]

It's all part of the framework designed to ensure that ultimately everything is owned by a few. Copyright laws get amended to make copyright effectively permanent. Patent laws get amended so drug companies can extend the patent on a drug, again effectively forever. Companies trademark everything in sight, then use those trademarks to stifle competition. These laws are all pushed and misused by lazy, greedy low-lifes who don't want to actually work for a living. I'd be quite happy to see them dragged into the street and shot. They give business a bad name.

There is no point telling people who aren't going to pay for entertainment that someone is being critically harmed by their actions.

And let's drop the inane pretense that copying some data is in any way similar or equivalent to hijacking a vehicle or stealing physical property.

If you really believe, as for instance that totally stupid video they stick on every DVD would have you believe, that they are the same thing, then w1z4rd is quite right, you're a sucker and you've fallen for their propaganda. And in that case I have this really cool bridge I'd like to sell you.

We should all treat copyright as being ten years. No real reason for it to have ever been any longer. If something is newer than that then buy it. If not just copy it. The owner has had long enough to earn money from their work. And if you must copy newer material, then copy it, but don't pay for copies.

 

[w1z4rd]

Wiz, my brain may be a small to try and unpack all the points you throw so eloquently together

Why is it human greed to develop something and expect to paid for it? Agreed the pricing of such would always be an issue. My point speaks specifically to piracy/copying/obtaining illegally/stealing of games i.e. I guess intellectual property.

Would you be happy if some plagiarised your work?

I release all my stuff under the creative commons copyright. IE, some rights reserved. Talking about Intellectual copyright. So what you are saying is that an idea belongs to one person instead of humanity? I am so grateful Thomas Edison did not think like you. I would hate to be paying $90 for every light bulb I buy!

A good example of your intellectual copyright can be seen right now. Where your (I suppose in your eyes) non-greedy Microsoft is buying out parts of Novel, to get its paws into SuSe linux. Microsoft is ALREADY shouting your exact words. Intellectual copyright. Now who is this good for? Microsoft`s shareholders are humanity? And you have the audacity to say I steal!

Things as lame as the scroll bar you have on the right are under debate. Whether or not they were written the same way is irrelevant. So by intellectual copyright are you saying that only ONE person is allowed to come up with an idea? Thereafter it belongs to only him, and no one else is allowed to invent something similar?

I wonder how long until everything is copyrighted, and we are to scared to think up original ideas in case Captain Copyright turns us into criminals.

 

[nthdimension]

My point speaks specifically to piracy/copying/obtaining illegally/stealing of games

Would you be happy if someone plagiarised your work?

How often are games actually stolen, either retail copies from shops or the original data from the creator?

Plagiarise can't be the word you intended.

 

[fivelza]

I release all my stuff under the creative commons copyright. IE, some rights reserved. Talking about Intellectual copyright. So what you are saying is that an idea belongs to one person instead of humanity? I am so grateful Thomas Edison did not think like you. I would hate to be paying $90 for every light bulb I buy!

A good example of your intellectual copyright can be seen right now. Where your (I suppose in your eyes) non-greedy Microsoft is buying out parts of Novel, to get its paws into SuSe linux. Microsoft is ALREADY shouting your exact words. Intellectual copyright. Now who is this good for? Microsoft`s shareholders are humanity? And you have the audacity to say I steal!

Things as lame as the scroll bar you have on the right are under debate. Whether or not they were written the same way is irrelevant. So by intellectual copyright are you saying that only ONE person is allowed to come up with an idea? Thereafter it belongs to only him, and no one else is allowed to invent something similar?

I wonder how long until everything is copyrighted, and we are to scared to think up original ideas in case Captain Copyright turns us into criminals.

Wiz, to be fair I never accused you of theft...you are getting confused with what Doobi wrote. You are using extreme examples to support your point and based on a reading of the Pirate Party mandate (from your link) I see where you are coming from. Where does that leave us if everything is fair game and nothing is protected, what will be the incentive for anyone to develop anything if they are not being remunerated for it. My point refers to games etc not to the human genome. Peace

 

[fivelza]

How often are games actually stolen, either retail copies from shops or the original data from the creator?

Plagiarise can't be the word you intended.

Plagiarise was specifically meant for Wiz as I understand he is a journalist as well....

I don't understand your point re how often are games actually stolen