Truth about Eskom's smart meter control of your geyser

Swa said:
I'm not talking about being predictable. I'm talking about the fact that it still shifts the large loads around but you then have a bunch of smaller extra loads.
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In a few weeks we all gonna have an extra load on our faces from the ANC.
 
Swa said:
I'm not talking about being predictable. I'm talking about the fact that it still shifts the large loads around but you then have a bunch of smaller extra loads.
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Under normal load shedding you're still shifting the larger loads around but its arguably worse since fridges, small aircons, battery backups etc all kick in simultaneously creating a massive load surge far in excess than if they were simply maintaining it over time.
 
Swa said:
Why are you? Probably all the stuff I mentioned you can't use. Unless you're running things like pool pumps large appliances mostly make up for it when the power resumes.
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Thus the load is not just shifting and hopefully you will stop with that narrative. Even those with big inverters and battery systems, they hardly run everything off it, and most seem to have a bunch of solar panels hooked up to it from what I see, taking even more load of the grid permanently I suspect.
 
quovadis said:
Under normal load shedding you're still shifting the larger loads around but its arguably worse since fridges, small aircons, battery backups etc all kick in simultaneously creating a massive load surge far in excess of if they were simply maintaining it over time.
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Take the billions they going to spend on these smart dumb meters and upgrade the grid into a smart cloud based grid like what the UK and Aus has with 3 different tariff options, flat rate, TOU or wholesale.
 
quovadis said:
Under normal load shedding you're still shifting the larger loads around but its arguably worse since fridges, small aircons, battery backups etc all kick in simultaneously creating a massive load surge far in excess than if they were simply maintaining it over time.
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And the benefits for traffic and accident rates at intersections and due to stuff like street lighting working and the stresses placed on minisubs being much less and and and.
 
wingnut771 said:
Take the billions they going to spend on these smart dumb meters and upgrade the grid into a smart cloud based grid like what the UK and Aus has with 3 different tariff options, flat rate, TOU or wholesale.
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We've had this conversation. The meter I have for load limiting from Eskom supports all that you mentioned including feed in.
 
supersunbird said:
And the benefits for traffic and accident rates at intersections and due to stuff like street lighting working and the stresses placed on minisubs being much less and and and.
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Not to mention everything in your home not running in under voltaged conditions when power returns and not having the wear and tear associated with switching appliances on and off too. Oh, and minisub component/cable theft is typically more prevalent during load shedding and less detectable during load shedding.
 
quovadis said:
We've had this conversation. The meter I have for load limiting from Eskom supports all that you mentioned including feed in.
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I remember you saying it but are you 100% sure, because if it does then why not do those things?

Why does CoCT have to pay R6500 for it and Pretoria R3500 for it when Eskom dish them out for free? How much is the Eskom meter?

Are you feeding in, I can't remember?
 
wingnut771 said:
I remember you saying it but are you 100% sure, because if it does then why not do those things?

Why does CoCT have to pay R6500 for it and Pretoria R3500 for it when Eskom dish them out for free? How much is the Eskom meter?

Are you feeding in, I can't remember?
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I can't comment of COCT or Pretoria - they're not Eskom. I got my Eskom meter replaced as part of a meter modernisation/prepaid rollout for free years before load limiting was even mentioned in SA. Nope, not feeding in. I suspended my plans for getting rid of Eskom after load limiting was introduced. The longer I delay the better the system becomes for the budget allocated. You have an in and out register on the device with status indicators for direction etc.
 
wingnut771 said:
I remember you saying it but are you 100% sure, because if it does then why not do those things?

Why does CoCT have to pay R6500 for it and Pretoria R3500 for it when Eskom dish them out for free? How much is the Eskom meter?

Are you feeding in, I can't remember?
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Can find the spec sheet for the metre online confirms it can.
Municipality are trying to push their budgeted costs on to you, Eskom didn't but unfortunately the only thing stoping Eskom from setting up feeding back is red tape. Lol I'll be happy to feedback to the grid even if they only pay me 50% of what they charge me per unit but alas only a pipe dream. Then again maybe the guy that rolling out load limiting will be put in charge of net metering next.

Let's be honest here most of you who don't see why it works is because you not the person who it targets, you the person they want Joe public to be. You know you ussage what each device uses what to cut down on etc. you already know what most be of to keep you usage under 2000w, and if you don't lol you going to learn.
Majority of people are ignorant about how much power they use ( flip done are so stupid still think I pay for it I'll use hope much I want and then complaining electricity is expensive) this forces people to take a look at what each device at home uses.
 
isie said:
Can find the spec sheet for the metre online confirms it can.
Municipality are trying to push their budgeted costs on to you, Eskom didn't but unfortunately the only thing stoping Eskom from setting up feeding back is red tape. Lol I'll be happy to feedback to the grid even if they only pay me 50% of what they charge me per unit but alas only a pipe dream. Then again maybe the guy that rolling out load limiting will be put in charge of net metering next.

Let's be honest here most of you who don't see why it works is because you not the person who it targets, you the person they want Joe public to be. You know you ussage what each device uses what to cut down on etc. you already know what most be of to keep you usage under 2000w, and if you don't lol you going to learn.
Majority of people are ignorant about how much power they use ( flip done are so stupid still think I pay for it I'll use hope much I want and then complaining electricity is expensive) this forces people to take a look at what each device at home uses.
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Wake me up when we pay higher rates when demand is high for usage and feed-in and super low rates when its not.
 
wingnut771 said:
Wake me up when we pay higher rates when demand is high for usage and feed-in and super low rates when its not.
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With load shedding demand is always high ;) So maybe sometime in the future otherwise it'll be pay higher when you have load shedding and I'm sure that'll go down great with the public but still requires everyone to have the same meters.
 
wingnut771 said:
Right, so instead of having 60 pages of tariffs, just have this paragraph. The duck curve will disappear overnight.

I would charge batteries at R1 then sell at R6.
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Have to add the network demand charge so its R2.46 per kWh cheapest. Don't have a clue about feedin rates but I'm sure whatever it is it'll be lower than what you can buy at any time of day for residential customers. Not much of an incentive for residential to go this route unless you got a ton of batteries and charging capacity tbh.
 
quovadis said:
Have to add the network demand charge so its R2.46 per kWh cheapest. Don't have a clue about feedin rates but I'm sure whatever it is it'll be lower than what you can buy at any time of day for residential customers. Not much of an incentive for residential to go this route unless you got a ton of batteries and charging capacity tbh.
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You should be able to buy for free at midday and sell back between 4pm-8pm.
 
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