Two robbers shot dead and two injured in Komga

Cosmik Debris

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No man, R4 and R5 have hardly any recoil.

So this guy will be OK then?

This is destined to turn into a world of pain. At least his hearing will be OK:

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For when someone tries to hijack them underwater.
Don't they need them for when they surface? I only ever see them in action in movies. Noticed the crews carry guns when I watched Das Boot.
 

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Don't they need them for when they surface? I only ever see them in action in movies. Noticed the crews carry guns when I watched Das Boot.

Oh yes, for pirates, I forgot.

Handguns and rifles are really unlikely to be of value to a submariner.
I am sure they have them on board, but probably locked away in case there is a need for whatever reason.
 

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Spoke to a former South African submariner I know. The Daphne Class carried small arms but nobody had a personal firearm on board. According to him the small arms carried inboard were:

1 x FN MAG Machine Gun (Bridge had mountings and to be used against small craft or fire support during close in shore operations on the surface. Never used in action)

1 x R1 rifle ( 7.62 FN FAL for line throwing or accurate fire and as a shark sentry rifle on the bridge when swimming for the crew was allowed. Only ever fired for line throwing)

2 x Uzzi SMGs (One issued to the sentry on the casing in harbour and carried on a sling around the shoulder. He had specific rules of engagement and was authorised to open fire under those rules without waiting for higher authority. No incident of opening fire ever took place)

5 x Star 9mm pistols (One issued to the Officer of the Day in harbour and carried on his hip in a holster. He was usually below decks and authorised under specific rules of engagement to open fire without orders from higher authority. No incident ever occurred)

2 x bayonets (Never used in any incident)

No personal firearms were carried by anyone other than the issued firearms in harbour. None were carried by personnel at sea and were kept in their stowages.

When required for specific operations where Special Forces would be landed there were designated stowage for:

RPG 7 Rocket launchers and rockets
PPSH Machine guns
Silenced weapons
SMG's
Hand grenades
AK 47 Rifles
 

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No, that is stupid. It does have a bit of recoil, but not major. Very easy rifle to use.

The R1 had very little recoil if you set the gas setting differently to what the standard troops had to set it to. Registered shottists with personal issued R1's were allowed to do this. It required a clean weapon and oiled rounds in a clean magazine. Not to be used where the weapon could get dirty. It was used during competition on ranges by professional shottists. Any dirt and the weapon would jam.
 

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The R1 had very little recoil if you set the gas setting differently to what the standard troops had to set it to. Registered shottists with personal issued R1's were allowed to do this. It required a clean weapon and oiled rounds in a clean magazine. Not to be used where the weapon could get dirty. It was used during competition on ranges by professional shottists. Any dirt and the weapon would jam.
Mostly agree, R1 had more recoil than the 5.56 weapons but manageable. Oil anywhere is not that good as it attracts dust and fine sand leading to a storing. Pressed steel AK47 with the short 7.62 round had something of an advantage over the machined R1 in combat I'm told (R1 ammo a bit heavier as well). Competition was restricted to the same weapons as an R1 was no match for bolt action rifles in a similar calibre although some really good shottists in competition. At 600m, furthest I remember in competition, it was a battle to place well in about a 1m target whereas bolt action, peep sighted rifles could do good groups when in skilled hands at 1000m. Normal Tabel 2 was 300m maximum as I recall. All good fun.
 

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Mostly agree, R1 had more recoil than the 5.56 weapons but manageable. Oil anywhere is not that good as it attracts dust and fine sand leading to a storing. Pressed steel AK47 with the short 7.62 round had something of an advantage over the machined R1 in combat I'm told (R1 ammo a bit heavier as well). Competition was restricted to the same weapons as an R1 was no match for bolt action rifles in a similar calibre although some really good shottists in competition. At 600m, furthest I remember in competition, it was a battle to place well in about a 1m target whereas bolt action, peep sighted rifles could do good groups when in skilled hands at 1000m. Normal Tabel 2 was 300m maximum as I recall. All good fun.

I was speaking of oiled R1's with gas settings that allowed little recoil for competition shooting on ranges. They would have jammed in the bush with oiled rounds and low recoil gas settings. Shottists were allowed to have triggers set to the lowest legal pull pressure too. And a customised shoulder butt for their arm length. The max competition range of the R1 was 600 metres as that was the max rear sight range setting. Bisley shottists with bolt action rifles and specialised peep sights shot from 1000 metres during competitions.
 
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