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Vrotappel

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People who say f*** all and then say "checkmate" as if it proved something... :X3:

Hope it's good whisky...
Sorry he triggers you. Sometimes hearing the truth is difficult.

Maybe look at it again. See the connections. Learn the truths.

This is shocking though.


It found that a majority of the 73.7 million American children under age 18 live in families with two parents (69 percent)—a decrease from 88 percent in 1960. Of those 50.7 million children living in families with two parents, 47.7 million live with two married parents and 3 million live with two unmarried parents.


Broken down by race, however, the statistics show stark differences. The percentage of White children under 18 who live with both parents almost doubles that of Black children, according to the data. While 74.3 percent of all White children below the age of 18 live with both parents, only 38.7 percent of African-American minors can say the same.


Instead, more than one-third of all Black children in the United States under the age of 18 live with unmarried mothers—compared to 6.5 percent of White children. The figures reflect a general trend: During the 1960-2016 period, the percentage of children living with only their mother nearly tripled from 8 to 23 percent and the percentage of children living with only their father increased from 1 to 4 percent.

I guess it must be racism.
 

Vrotappel

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This the same Ben Shapiro who says that the solution to rising sea levels is for people to sell their homes and move?
Changing topics now? I don't know the messenger that well but this specific message on BLM hits the truth. I will be watching more of his videos, it does not mean that I will agree with everything he says.
 

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Changing topics now? I don't know the messenger that well but this specific message on BLM hits the truth. I will be watching more of his videos, it does not mean that I will agree with everything he says.
It's about credibility, but I will watch the video tomorrow... I just think it's amusing when someone rates themself as being a hero.. Which is why I posted FIGJAM

F**k I'm Good, Just Ask Me...
 

Kieppie

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That would be a "no" then?
No I was busy with more important things like food and movie actually.
I hope you don't pull your trigger this prematurely with your significant other?

</snip> irrelevant ranting

Here is a breakdown according to a biased source SPLC (using their heatmap and stats where available)

Group (Chapters) - estimate

KKK (25) - 2016 stats 3,000 (Downward trend)
Neo-Nazi (63) - The National Socialist Movement (NSM) largest group with about 400 members. Assuming all chapters have similar members yields 25,200
Aryan brotherhood - 15,000–20,000 members (both inside & outside prison)
Racist skinheads (36) - In 1988 there were approximately 2,000 neo-Nazi skinheads. The SPLC notes that the skinhead movement "has almost no young recruits" in the United States.
White Nationalists (128) - No real numbers available so giving them the same per group as biggest Neo-Nazi group yields 51,200
Neo-Confederate (31) - Largest is the League of the South (17 of 31) with 9,000 in 2000 when SPLC first proclaimed them a hate group. Their numbers have steadily dropped. So again lets use the maximum yields 16,400

The total comes to 117,800. This is an extreme overestimation while also assuming everyone is indeed a racist and no overlap occurs. Let’s round this up to the nearest million for the sake of argument.
Keep in mind Charlottesville had an upper estimate of only 250 people and not all were from the above groups.

According to Pew 33% identify as Democrats in the 2020 election.
Registered voters 239 million = 78.87 million Democrats.
Using the 1 million figure this means you just require 1.27% democrats to believe in CRT & Identity politics to have the same number of racists.
(0.149% with the original number)

So YES statistically speaking more democrats are likely to hold racist views than there are white supremacists.
 

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No I was busy with more important things like food and movie actually.
I hope you don't pull your trigger this prematurely with your significant other?



Here is a breakdown according to a biased source SPLC (using their heatmap and stats where available)

Group (Chapters) - estimate

KKK (25) - 2016 stats 3,000 (Downward trend)
Neo-Nazi (63) - The National Socialist Movement (NSM) largest group with about 400 members. Assuming all chapters have similar members yields 25,200
Aryan brotherhood - 15,000–20,000 members (both inside & outside prison)
Racist skinheads (36) - In 1988 there were approximately 2,000 neo-Nazi skinheads. The SPLC notes that the skinhead movement "has almost no young recruits" in the United States.
White Nationalists (128) - No real numbers available so giving them the same per group as biggest Neo-Nazi group yields 51,200
Neo-Confederate (31) - Largest is the League of the South (17 of 31) with 9,000 in 2000 when SPLC first proclaimed them a hate group. Their numbers have steadily dropped. So again lets use the maximum yields 16,400

The total comes to 117,800. This is an extreme overestimation while also assuming everyone is indeed a racist and no overlap occurs. Let’s round this up to the nearest million for the sake of argument.
Keep in mind Charlottesville had an upper estimate of only 250 people and not all were from the above groups.

According to Pew 33% identify as Democrats in the 2020 election.
Registered voters 239 million = 78.87 million Democrats.
Using the 1 million figure this means you just require 1.27% democrats to believe in CRT & Identity politics to have the same number of racists.
(0.149% with the original number)

So YES statistically speaking more democrats are likely to hold racist views than there are white supremacists.

OMG you just Ben Shapiro'ed your way through that entire reasoning.
 

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I hope you don't pull your trigger this prematurely with your significant other?
Periodic reminder.

"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."

It really is humorous to watch.

Here is a breakdown according to a biased source SPLC (using their heatmap and stats where available)

Group (Chapters) - estimate

KKK (25) - 2016 stats 3,000 (Downward trend)
Neo-Nazi (63) - The National Socialist Movement (NSM) largest group with about 400 members. Assuming all chapters have similar members yields 25,200
Aryan brotherhood - 15,000–20,000 members (both inside & outside prison)
Racist skinheads (36) - In 1988 there were approximately 2,000 neo-Nazi skinheads. The SPLC notes that the skinhead movement "has almost no young recruits" in the United States.
White Nationalists (128) - No real numbers available so giving them the same per group as biggest Neo-Nazi group yields 51,200
Neo-Confederate (31) - Largest is the League of the South (17 of 31) with 9,000 in 2000 when SPLC first proclaimed them a hate group. Their numbers have steadily dropped. So again lets use the maximum yields 16,400

The total comes to 117,800. This is an extreme overestimation while also assuming everyone is indeed a racist and no overlap occurs. Let’s round this up to the nearest million for the sake of argument.
Keep in mind Charlottesville had an upper estimate of only 250 people and not all were from the above groups.

According to Pew 33% identify as Democrats in the 2020 election.
Registered voters 239 million = 78.87 million Democrats.
Using the 1 million figure this means you just require 1.27% democrats to believe in CRT & Identity politics to have the same number of racists.
(0.149% with the original number)

So YES statistically speaking more democrats are likely to hold racist views than there are white supremacists.
I'm sorry, but no. You are not providing statistics, you are providing estimates. You are not comparing apples to apples - obviously intentionally, and you are pulling the percentage at the end out of your rectum. If, perhaps you could provide the proportion of Republican voters who hold racist views, and compare that to the proportion of Democratic voters who hold racist views, that would be a fair comparison. But you made no effort to do so.

Finally it is your assertion that democrats are likely to hold racist views. Now white superiority is an explicit racist view, in that white people are "better" than other races. You have not attempted to support your contention that CRT and Identity politics as practiced amongst Democratic voters are, in fact, racist. In fact your whole shtick is ignorant knee-jerking, because you don't actually know how many and to what extent Democratic voters support CRT and Identity politics.

If this is what constitutes 'evidence' to you, I will try a lot less hard to convince you in future, because you evidently will believe anything.
 
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I'm sorry, but no. You are not providing statistics, you are providing estimates. You are not comparing apples to apples - obviously intentionally, and you are pulling the percentage at the end out of your rectum. If, perhaps you could provide the proportion of Republican voters who hold racist views, and compare that to the proportion of Democratic voters who hold racist views, that would be a fair comparison. But you made no effort to do so.
You don't understand the reasoning because it is not wrapped up in a neat little article by a journalist?
Also the percentages are based on those numbers given. Nothing is made up. If you have a more accurate figure for one then please do share.

No there is no intentional misleading. The initial argument was that "more democrats hold racist views by believing in CRT & Identity politics than there are actual white supremacist". This was because you questioned my reasoning for calling leftist racist.
There are no policies that the Republicans hold that are overtly racist. But feel free to go do such an analysis if you wish.

Finally it is your assertion that democrats are likely to hold racist views. Now white superiority is an explicit racist view, in that white people are "better" than other races. You have not attempted to support your contention that CRT and Identity politics as practiced amongst Democratic voters are, in fact, racist. In fact your whole shtick is ignorant knee-jerking, because you don't actually know how many and to what extent Democratic voters support CRT and Identity politics.
White superiority is not a left right issue even if some have this false notion. Yes CRT & Identity politics are overtly racist. Those that believe otherwise are deluding themselves. As to the not proving the extent of Democratic support it would not be implemented policy if it was a such a small fraction.

If this is what constitutes 'evidence' to you, I will try a lot less hard to convince you in future, because you evidently will believe anything.
It is more evidence based than typical articles in news actually. If you create an exaggerated upper bound and show that the alternative likely lies above that, then it implies the alternative definitely lies above the actual value. Unless you believe less than 1% of Democrats believe in CRT & CRT, never mind the more realistic 0.149%?
 

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You don't understand the reasoning because it is not wrapped up in a neat little article by a journalist?

Unlike what you showed everyone yesterday, I do have a fairly good grasp of science and statistics, and I do not need a journalist to tell me how they work. Your "analysis" proves the opposite about you, unless you were intentionally trying to be deceitful in the hope nobody would notice.

Also the percentages are based on those numbers given. Nothing is made up. If you have a more accurate figure for one then please do share.

Burden of proof was with you and remains with you.

No there is no intentional misleading.

Nothing intentionally misleading? So you wrote all that misleading information by mistake?

There are no policies that the Republicans hold that are overtly racist.
Voter suppression begs to differ. The remnants of the Southern Strategy beg to differ.
White superiority is not a left right issue even if some have this false notion.
What are you on about?
Yes CRT & Identity politics are overtly racist.

Evidence, as usual, absent from your "arguement". You also conveniently avoid the fact that you have no idea of the levels and depth of support for your bogeyman CRT and IP.


You don't get it Kieppietje. You "showed" nothing more than your own confirmation bias. Your numbers are not comparable. You failed.
 
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Kieppie

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Unlike what you showed everyone yesterday, I do have a fairly good grasp of science and statistics, and I do not need a journalist to tell me how they work. Your "analysis" proves the opposite about you, unless you were intentionally trying to be deceitful in the hope nobody would notice.
You showed that? Really? Didn't we already confirm that you do not in fact have a background in either? There is nothing wrong with the analysis. Except that I grossly over exaggerated the number of White Supremacists. Even using a biased source know for exaggerating the numbers.
I find it odd that some can't grasp a basic analysis like this.

Burden of proof was with you and remains with you.

Nothing intentionally misleading? So you wrote all that by mistake?
Yes and I provided evidence for my assertion. You have provided nothing to contradict it

Voter suppression begs to differ.
Voter suppression isn't real though. Nor is there a racist intent behind voter regulations. Would like to see you try and prove this.

What are you on about?
Evidence, as usual, absent from your "arguement". You also conveniently avoid the fact that you have no idea of the levels and depth of support for your bogeyman CRT and IP.
You don't get it Kieppietje. You "showed" nothing more than your own confirmation bias. Your numbers are not comparable. You failed.
I showed you the percentage needed to equal the other.
So are you trying to argue that less than 0.149% of democrats support CRT & ID? Great! then we can scrap those awful policies!

Edit : Let me put it in a way that's easy to understand. The number of White supremacists is SO small that you only need a fraction of a fraction Democrats to believe in CRT & ID politics to equal them
 
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