U.S. Politics

[greg0205]

Haha Greg trying to compare the US with Europe. By the way your pretty picture is outdated.

This is a much more relevant representation about this issue (from the same source as your graphic).
The Democratic party is exiting left at an alarming rate. Imagine where they are in 2021.

Now tell me again how the Overton window shifted?

Yes, I see how completely different the positioning of the two parties in the graphics are now...

Are you for real, Kieppie?


Pleased to see the Democratic Party... actually... on the left, and not, you know, Conservative Lite.

Anyway, you want to know how the Overton window shifted?

On the left, toward Paris, mass transit and renewables; toward infrastructure; toward immigration reform; toward sensible gun laws; towards taxing the 1% and corporations; towards single-payer; toward voting rights... You know, the usual.

On the right, toward idolatry; toward insurrection; toward voter suppression; toward MOAR guns; toward constant outrage and fear of replacement... You know, fascism.

 

[buka001]

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Yes, I see how completely different the positioning of the two parties in the graphics are now...

Are you for real, Kieppie?


Pleased to see the Democratic Party... actually... on the left, and not, you know, Conservative Lite.

Anyway, you want to know how the Overton window shifted?

On the left, toward Paris, mass transit and renewables; toward infrastructure; toward immigration reform; toward sensible gun laws; towards taxing the 1% and corporations; towards single-payer; toward voting rights... You know, the usual.

On the right, toward idolatry; toward insurrection; toward voter suppression; toward MOAR guns; toward constant outrage and fear of replacement... You know, fascism.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1382352468386930689

I wonder what influences those Republicans, who watch Fox News ...

Oh look here.

Tucker Carlson from Fox News suggesting that the COVID vaccines don't work.


Oh, but I am sure he actually didn't mean it.

 

[Kieppie]

I must have missed the part where they stormed the Capitol, trying to overturn the election, like your beloved Proud Boys did ... you know like what an actual insurrection is defined as.

Oh you mean the unarmed protest.
As opposed to armed assaults on government buildings, Damage and death.
Gotcha.

insurrection

1. an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and…

dictionary.cambridge.org

But, then again you have to whataboutism, to make the acts of your Proud Boys seem less severe, since you are a defender of their rights to try overthrow the government.

A few PB's there is not a reflection on the group as the whole, but as you were.

Anyway back to the topic of discussion.
You are trying to change the meaning of what Tucker said, because it explicitly aligns with the exact same motivations used by a terrorist to murder people.

No what terrorists do or believe is not relevant.

So yet again here you are trying to defend what someone actually said because you know exactly what it means. So you have to defend it.

As opposed to you who actually knows what he meant? I was critiquing YOUR opinion. I don't care much what Tucker says.

You have to distract from the direct words used, the meanings and implications because it is too difficult to admit that due to your cognitive dissonance you cannot confront the truth that you are defending a rhetoric used by a white nationalist terrorist to provide his motivations to murder people.
So you have to defend.

Again irrelevant its what the terrorist do or believes.

You have to make up comparisons that distract. You have to pretend that his words don't mean what they say.

The comparisons are valid considering your argument. Left wing media is then complicit in the riots.

It is a fantastic study of this phenomenon.
I called out your Proud Boys months before Jan 6. Your defense of them aged like milk in the sun.
How will your defense of Tucker age this time, given how his White Nationalist supporters are rejoicing over his videos?

My defense of them still stand. The few who partook is also irrelevant considering the diverse crowd there. Not that I like them as a group, but that is irrelevant.
But sure keep on hammering away at the capitol riots narrative. It was a stupid stunt and nothing more.

You're just going in circles at this point. Restating the same thing over and over.

 

[greg0205]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1382352468386930689

I wonder what influences those Republicans, who watch Fox News ...

Oh look here.

Tucker Carlson from Fox News suggesting that the COVID vaccines don't work.


Oh, but I am sure he actually didn't mean it.

Tucker knows exactly what he's doing, and he's doing it deliberately.

Until cable companies feel enough pressure from subscribers to pull Fox from their bundles, he's safe as a house... If they ever hit a critical mass of subscribers who won't countenance paying for Fox, he'll be gone in a heartbeat.

Advertiser boycotts are useless... It's all the cable bundle.

 

[Kieppie]

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Yes, I see how completely different the positioning of the two parties in the graphics are now...
Are you for real, Kieppie?

So you miss the glaring acceleration. Well done! Progress for the sake of progress is not. Keep running towards the cliff.

Pleased to see the Democratic Party... actually... on the left, and not, you know, Conservative Lite.
Anyway, you want to know how the Overton window shifted?
On the left, toward Paris, mass transit and renewables; toward infrastructure; toward immigration reform; toward sensible gun laws; towards taxing the 1% and corporations; towards single-payer; toward voting rights... You know, the usual.
On the right, toward idolatry; toward insurrection; toward voter suppression; toward MOAR guns; toward constant outrage and fear of replacement... You know, fascism.

Lol @ Facism and the other nonsense you posted. Ok Greg. If you want to see Authoritarian rule you need only look at the current Democrat party.

By the way you forgot Identity politics and CRT in your great list there.

Also conservatives are not against most of those. They are just against uninformed idiots like AOC implementing the policies.

 

[Kieppie]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1382352468386930689

I wonder what influences those Republicans, who watch Fox News ...

Oh look here.

Tucker Carlson from Fox News suggesting that the COVID vaccines don't work.


Oh, but I am sure he actually didn't mean it.

Somehow I doubt CNN gave an accurate portrayal, but nevermind.

Reminds me of Kamala last year saying she won't take a vaccine. So a VP compared to a news show anchor

 

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[greg0205]

So you miss the glaring acceleration. Well done! Progress for the sake of progress is not. Keep running towards the cliff.


Lol @ Facism and the other nonsense you posted. Ok Greg. If you want to see Authoritarian rule you need only look at the current Democrat party.

By the way you forgot Identity politics and CRT in your great list there.

Also conservatives are not against most of those. They are just against uninformed idiots like AOC implementing the policies.

"Glaring acceleration"?

Me in November '19:




Not nearly enough acceleration as far as I'm concerned.

Kill the filibuster, pass the For the People act, add DC and Puerto Rico as states, and expand the SC to 13 seats... then, and only then can we back off, but only to 8000 RPM while we get the Interstate Compact going.

 

[Kieppie]

"Glaring acceleration"?

Me in November:
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Not nearly enough acceleration as far as I'm concerned.

Kill the filibuster, pass the For the People act, add DC and Puerto Rico as states, and expand the SC to 13 seats... then, and only then can we back off, but only to 8000 RPM while we get the Interstate Compact going.

The shift of the Democrats to the right was marginal compared to the moves in the last 8 years. Yet you said it moved to another zip code. The swing left is like leaving the country entirely.
Hopefully the SC and interstate falls flat. Lest you want to see the US rip itself apart.

By the way lol @ sellout Bernie. He had a shot in 2016 not the last election.

Also so I'm a card carrying Democrat now since I have similar policy priorities as those mentioned in the previous post? Interesting.

 

[greg0205]

The shift of the Democrats to the right was marginal compared to the moves in the last 8 years. Yet you said it moved to another zip code. The swing left is like leaving the country entirely.
Hopefully the SC and interstate falls flat. Lest you want to see the US rip itself apart.

By the way lol @ sellout Bernie. He had a shot in 2016 not the last election.

Also so I'm a card carrying Democrat now since I have similar policy priorities as those mentioned in the previous post? Interesting.

If y'all could just see past owning the libs, and being the victim, and being wound up by grifters, and being afraid of coloured folks, you'd realise that Democrats are better for all Americans.

But you can't.

You're not wired that way...

 

[buka001]

Oh you mean the unarmed protest.
As opposed to armed assaults on government buildings, Damage and death.
Gotcha.


A few PB's there is not a reflection on the group as the whole, but as you were.


No what terrorists do or believe is not relevant.


As opposed to you who actually knows what he meant? I was critiquing YOUR opinion. I don't care much what Tucker says.


Again irrelevant its what the terrorist do or believes.


The comparisons are valid considering your argument. Left wing media is then complicit in the riots.


My defense of them still stand. The few who partook is also irrelevant considering the diverse crowd there. Not that I like them as a group, but that is irrelevant.
But sure keep on hammering away at the capitol riots narrative. It was a stupid stunt and nothing more.

You're just going in circles at this point. Restating the same thing over and over.

Lol.

Stupid stunt ... epic defence of a group who invaded the Capitol, assaulted hundreds of police and killed one of them. Epic.

Hang Mike Pence ... sure sounds like a stunt to me.

Defending the insurrection on the Capitol as well I see.

Seeing a trend here. Kind of like a tick box list.

Defends terrorists rhetoric. Defends acts of terrorism.

Defends the Proud Boys ... remind me if a leader of a group acts in a way (like invading the Capitol), what does that say about the values he enshrines in his organisation?

Quite obvious now, why you are defending Tucker's echoing of a terrorists motivations to kill people.

 

[buka001]

Somehow I doubt CNN gave an accurate portrayal, but nevermind.

Reminds me of Kamala last year saying she won't take a vaccine. So a VP compared to a news show anchor

His comments are there, verbatim. Go check. He suggested they don't work.

Defending an anti-vaxxer now as well.

 

[buka001]

So you miss the glaring acceleration. Well done! Progress for the sake of progress is not. Keep running towards the cliff.


Lol @ Facism and the other nonsense you posted. Ok Greg. If you want to see Authoritarian rule you need only look at the current Democrat party.

By the way you forgot Identity politics and CRT in your great list there.

Also conservatives are not against most of those. They are just against uninformed idiots like AOC implementing the policies.

Like a president who tried to force his VP to over rule the constitution and negate millions of votes?

Or used a bunch of frivolous lawsuits to clog up courts, to overturn votes?

Or called various State authorities and asked them to overturn legal votes?

That kind of authoritism, shown by the leader of the Republican Party, a few months ago?

 

[Kieppie]

If y'all could just see past owning the libs, and being the victim, and being wound up by grifters, and being afraid of coloured folks, you'd realise that Democrats are better for all Americans.
But you can't.
You're not wired that way...

Ok so I need to master the skill of projecting it seems. Alas I'm not wired that way.

 

[greg0205]

Ok so I need to master the skill of projecting it seems. Alas I'm not wired that way.

No need to project.

Just stop shilling for the folks that give billionaires breaks while taking the last drop of blood from your minimum wage to give those billionaires more... Because capitalism, free markets and the DOW or something.

Just stop shilling for the folks that prefer you going bankrupt if you get sick, rather than taking care of you and your family... Because socialism or something.

Just stop shilling for the folks that don't care if your kid gets shot at school... Because 'freedom' or something.

Just stop shilling for the folks that don't care if you get evicted during a pandemic.... Because bootstraps or something.

Just stop shilling for the folks that don't give AF if you live or die, but have convinced you to vote against your own interests... Because 'libruls' or something.

 

[Kieppie]

Lol.
Stupid stunt ... epic defence of a group who invaded the Capitol, assaulted hundreds of police and killed one of them. Epic.

You meant all those cops that let them through and with whom they took selfies? Oh really? They killed an officer? Where do you get this nonsense?
The unarmed Ashli Babbitt WAS killed though.

How many police was ACTUALLY killed by a leftist in a car? Oh yes 1 officer and another injured. Since when do you care about police when you are totally fine with last years BLM and now this years continuation thereof?

Hang Mike Pence ... sure sounds like a stunt to me.
Defending the insurrection on the Capitol as well I see.
Seeing a trend here. Kind of like a tick box list.

No the Capitol incident, while bad, was and is being blown out of proportion, but carry on.

Defends terrorists rhetoric. Defends acts of terrorism.

Nope, but don't let that stop you.

Defends the Proud Boys ... remind me if a leader of a group acts in a way (like invading the Capitol), what does that say about the values he enshrines in his organisation?

Their leader? Oh you mean the leader of one chapter? Really. Doesn't that make him a captain or something

Quite obvious now, why you are defending Tucker's echoing of a terrorists motivations to kill people.

No it's quite obvious you are just regurgitating false talking points you saw in the news. It's fine if you want to be spoon fed.

 

[Kieppie]

No need to project.

Just stop shilling for the folks that give billionaires breaks while taking the last drop of blood from your minimum wage to give those billionaires more... Because capitalism, free markets and the DOW or something.
Just stop shilling for the folks that prefer you going bankrupt if you get sick, rather than taking care of you and your family... Because socialism or something.
Just stop shilling for the folks that don't care if your kid gets shot at school... Because 'freedom' or something.
Just stop shilling for the folks that don't care if you get evicted during a pandemic.... Because bootstraps or something.
Just stop shilling for the folks that don't give AF if you live or die, but have convinced you to vote against your own interests... Because 'libruls' or something.

That's great news! Mission accomplished.
There is a difference in pointing out flaws in proposed plans and shilling.

That seems to be the common misconception of Republicans. That they don't care. They do, well as much as any politician, including those across the aisle.
They just approach it differently.

 

[Kieppie]

His comments are there, verbatim. Go check. He suggested they don't work.

Defending an anti-vaxxer now as well.

I didn't defend him. That was your interpretation.

You conveniently left out Kamala the anti-vaxxer

 

[Kieppie]

Like a president who tried to force his VP to over rule the constitution and negate millions of votes?

Or used a bunch of frivolous lawsuits to clog up courts, to overturn votes?

Or called various State authorities and asked them to overturn legal votes?

That kind of authoritism, shown by the leader of the Republican Party, a few months ago?

You almost have the definition correct, but not quite.
Yes he tried lots of tactics (Frankly I tuned out at that point). It didn't work and he left.

We'll see how the authoritarian tendencies of the current presidency plays out

 

[greg0205]

I didn't defend him. That was your interpretation.

You conveniently left out Kamala the anti-vaxxer

This Kamala?