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The headline remains false.
Just like female soldiers "may be forced..", equally if our govt changed the constitution, I "may be forced" to get married, have 5 children, take up a career as a diesel mechanic, and spend my Saturday afternoons swilling klipdrift and coke while standing around a braai talking p0es and sparkplugs. My daily commute "may" be by means of an orange Ford XR6. I "may" find myself moving to Brakpan.
You'll need to explain exactly how the headline is false. Maybe I'm misunderstanding.

Correct me if I'm wrong... Female soliders in the military are required to shower. Each solider does not always get to use their own private shower. The policy change means transgender individuals who identify as "female" but were designated as biological male at birth will be considered Female soliders. That means Female soliders will be required to shower with transgender individuals who are biologically male.
 

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Of course it has.

So in your mind then, the Brazilian Covid strain and the South African strain is also wrong?

In my eyes, south african strain and africa virus carry two different connotations, not that I do not see your point
 

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While I can appreciate your argument, the difference between WW2 is that the US was able to do that because it stayed out of the War for 2 years and even after Pearl Harbour it's domestic infrastructure wasn't touched by the war. Comparing that to a virus which has clearly affected China, as well as the rest of the world, is where the comparison falls down a bit..
So we're just lying now. COVID has not affected China anywhere close to other major countries. A benefit of a dictatorship, you could say.

The reason the US benefited so much from the war wasn't that all the European economies where destroyed, it was because it loaned weapons and equipment to the countries that were engaged in the war, loans which needed to be repaid after the war in terms that the US dictated.
This is patently false. The repayment of those loans are still being repaid to this day (some only recently paid off, such as the UK) and did not, at all, result in the US' quick rise to hegemony.
It literally was because they were destroyed. American industry is what rebuilt Europe. Europe as a continent were the powerhouse of the world, a powerhouse that disappeared and was replaced by an opportunistic US. FFS, the cost of those weapons were a blip. You realise that? During a war, cost of manufacturing accounts for a lot less than you think. In a state of total-war, the cost of production is essentially waived. The US did not benefit in any significant way, monetarily, from the direct repayment of distribution of weapons to foreign allies. It was literally the cost of doing business, "the business' being the process of being a world power. The manufacturing industry booming from the pure task of manufacturing was worth more than the product they were making. The same intact manufacturing base that was still working while every other major power's was destroy. We literally see this today in China's construction sector. The government will finance billions-worth of useless construction projects where construction is not needed, because the millions of people having a job is more important than the money China puts into the sector.

Supplying weapons to European allies was to keep them in the fight long enough that they wouldn't get conquered by an unfriendly state. An unfriendly state is a lot less likely to do trade with you.

Why do you think the US made it a requirement that the UK dismantle its empire in return for aid...The US didn't want a powerful empirical UK bouncing back after the war and retaking its position as world power. It's not because the US cared about democracy and freedom of the UK's subjects,

Am not suggesting that China is not aiming to do what you have stated I just don't see the evidence that they are using this virus to do it
They exacerbated the spread of COVID in the early days.

 
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Of course it has.

So in your mind then, the Brazilian Covid strain and the South African strain is also wrong?
Honestly, I think I'm okay with it.

They're variants of Covid-19, not new viruses, and the alternate becomes a cluster**k of Covid-19-B.1.351 or Covid-19-B.1.1.7 or Covid-19-B.1.1.248 or whichever strain we identify next.

Identifying the variants, and how the virus mutates is important for science, but for a layman like you and I, nothing much changes.

Covid-19 is still the virus we're fighting.
 

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honestly, i'm surprised it's that high.

SA is a different issue though. the current dummies inherited a system utterly incapable of scaling to needs, then got stuck in inane in-fighting about arcane ideologies they learned "in exile" for a decade, and for the last decade we've just reverted to looting the public wallet. like other infrastructure, it's collapsed.

i work - tangentially - in finance, modelling on these subjects, and i would long since have classified SA as a failed state.
 
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it's more complex than that, but assume that's the case - the cost of that stagnation is below.

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making out like bandits. what happens when you assume that markets have to be the delivery arm. as long as you're wedded to that, you're stuck.

it's like marrying a really, really hot cannibal. the sex might be great for a few years, but sooner or later she eats you.

Just glancing at this report, it seems that life improvement has a heavy weighting on the learning. With a high learning in the passed seem to shoot up and setting at the top with others that have high learning scores (eg. Singapore blasts up that list). That report might have more to say about education systems than anything else.

But I'm just glossing over it, and then getting depressed at where SA is on that compared to where it could have got to...


Opportunities lost.
 

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So we're just lying now. COVID has not affected China anywhere close to the same degree as other countries. A benefit of a dictatorship, you could say.
Please point out which part of what I said there was a lie, I said

Comparing that to a virus which has clearly affected China, as well as the rest of the world, is where the comparison falls down a bit..
I know you cannot help but resort to claims of lying as opposed to having ar reasonable conversation but this will go a lot smoother if you try and not be your normal self for 10 minutes,.
 
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Just glancing at this report, it seems that life improvement has a heavy weighting on the learning. With a high learning in the passed seem to shoot up and setting at the top with others that have high learning scores (eg. Singapore blasts up that list). That report might have more to say about education systems than anything else.

But I'm just glossing over it, and then getting depressed at where SA is on that compared to where it could have got to...


Opportunities lost.

one million per cent agreed.
 

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Please point out which part of what I said there was a lie, I said


I know you cannot help but resort to claims of lying as opposed to having ar reasonable conversation but this will go a lot smoother if you try and not be a normal self for 10 minutes,.
You said China was affected, even eluding to it being significantly affected. They are not, in any way. The comparison, as you say, does not "fall down". They are directly equitable.
The US was barely affected by the destructive effects of WW2. The same with China and COVID.

You fobbed off my entire comment by saying it was inaccurate, when it wasn't. I'm not the one being unreasonable. You are incorrect and have no clue what you're talking about.
That's why this always devolves into stupid arguments. People talking about things they have no grasp over.
 

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The repayment of those loans are still being repaid to this day (some only recently paid off, such as the UK) and did not, at all, result in the US' quick rise to hegemony. It literally was because they were destroyed. American industry is what rebuilt Europe. Europe as a continent were the powerhouse of the world, a powerhouse that disappeared and was replaced by an opportunistic US.

actually, this is true. the US was the only country involved that didn't suffer a devastating land invasion and at the same time, national war mobilization scaled up industry and infrastructure development on a massive scale. the US was already geared for that national mobilization because FDR's New Deal had laid the administrative and execution foundation necessary. this kind of thing is not an unusual dynamic, btw.

sales of weapons were a minor contributor to growth, if at all.


edit: this is pretty well understood, by the way.


the dynamic of overlapping drivers of (a) public investment in public infrastructure combining with (b) markets taking advantage of that investment, is what i meant as "not an unusual dynamic", by the way. you see it everywhere and it's always a precursor to growth. within that, the valid policy arguments (when they ever surface which is seldom) focus on two matters: (a) what is the correct measurement of "growth" and (b) what constitutes "public infrastructure" and where is the dividing line?

but, "sharia law" is the issue of the day, so we all need to scream at each other about it. have at it.
 
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Honestly, I think I'm okay with it.

They're variants of Covid-19, not new viruses, and the alternate becomes a cluster**k of Covid-19-B.1.351 or Covid-19-B.1.1.7 or Covid-19-B.1.1.248 or whichever strain we identify next.

Identifying the variants, and how the virus mutates is important for science, but for a layman like you and I, nothing much changes.

Covid-19 is still the virus we're fighting.

me too. the whole "what do we call it" discussion is fvcking inane, no matter who's doing it.
 

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You said China was affected, even eluding to it being significantly affected.
So rather than clarifying what I meant, you immediately jump to accusing me of lying...? Yeah, I love honest and frank discussions... :rolleyes:

They are not, in any way. The comparison, as you say, does not "fall down". They are directly equitable.

Dude, you yourself stated...
Now, WW2 is obviously a much more significant event than COVID, but the effect is the same just to a greater degree.
Now the two events are "directly equitable"..?

The US was barely affected by the destructive effects of WW2. The same with China and COVID.

Citation needed about China being barely affected

https://www.ft.com/content/7ed987cb-195e-4f53-bd86-2b21277f6a27

Chinese city suffers food shortages during Covid-19 lockdown
Officials in Tonghua battle rare public outcry over late deliveries of daily necessities

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/13/world/asia/china-covid-lockdown.html

Facing New Outbreaks, China Places Over 22 Million on Lockdown
The country is experiencing its worst coronavirus flare-up since last summer, testing the government’s success in subduing the disease.

22 Million people in lockdown, but yeah, barely affected...:X3:
 

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Identifying the variants, and how the virus mutates is important for science, but for a layman like you and I, nothing much changes.

But not the origin? Come on man.

Is saying that this virus originated in China offensive to you?
 

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Honestly, I think I'm okay with it.

They're variants of Covid-19, not new viruses, and the alternate becomes a cluster**k of Covid-19-B.1.351 or Covid-19-B.1.1.7 or Covid-19-B.1.1.248 or whichever strain we identify next.

Identifying the variants, and how the virus mutates is important for science, but for a layman like you and I, nothing much changes.

Covid-19 is still the virus we're fighting.

I see nothing wrong with giving the variants of the Chinese virus non Racist names like.

Covid 19.2.5


Surely scientists can keep a record of a few numbers it isn't that hard and even if it is hard to remember that doesn't excuse racism.
 

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But not the origin? Come on man.

Is saying that this virus originated in China offensive to you?


Again, it is the connotations. Is pointing out a virus(hypothetically) originated in a gay man and calling it the "gay virus" offensive or relevant, even if it is factually true? Calling it the china virus when it is global at this point is signifying blame on china for something that is as uncontrollable as a natural disaster
 

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I see nothing wrong with giving the variants of the Chinese virus non Racist names like.

Covid 19.2.5


Surely scientists can keep a record of a few numbers it isn't that hard.

honestly, they could call it "Buddy Boy" or "Fanie" for all I care. literally the least important part of the discussion.

(edit: maybe not "Fanie" because Afrikaans people will say that's racist, but you get my point.)
 
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Again, it is the connotations. Is pointing out a virus(hypothetically) originated in a gay man and calling it the "gay virus" offensive or relevant, even if it is factually true? Calling it the china virus when it is global at this point is signifying blame on china for something that is as uncontrollable as a natural disaster
BS it doesn't assign blame.

How much blame do you assign to SA for our strain?
 
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