U.S. Politics

[STS]

It's a metaphor. Did she have a gun with her? No.

And Hang Mike Pence is a metaphor too

 

[sdrawk]

It's a metaphor. Did she have a gun with her? No.

Did people bring guns to said peaceful protest with the intention of using them like its 1776? Yes.

 

[InfrastructureBilPage2700]

Are you angry at the police when they arrest a criminal? You can be angry for how the police are treated but you cannot be angry at the reason for the police having to be there to arrest someone.

I already covered this crap in long posts in this thread. You'll continue to be fooled by the false media narrative even with a serious lack of evidence that Trump supporters are responsible for the violence, and plenty of evidence to the contrary.

 

[rietrot]

And Hang Mike Pence is a metaphor too

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You'll have to ask Twitter.

Obviously they think it is fine. That was not censored as incitement of violence.

 

[rietrot]

Did people bring guns to said peaceful protest with the intention of using them like its 1776? Yes.

BS. They successfully stormed the Capitol and there was no gunfight or any plan on taking over the government.

They took a few selfies and went home.

 

[daelm]

Now that's interesting. The Chinese really that blatant about it.

I wonder if the US is even bothering to counter any of this.

sorry. was in a meeting.

the US is still focussed, but they're not doing a brilliant job of it. mostly, seems after the official "end of the cold war" (TM), they narrowed their interest down to opening Africa up to corporates, which went down badly as you can imagine. there's actually been an uptick, iirc, in their military presence in the northern part of the continent, which flies under the radar. that doesn't win hearts and minds much either. and then there was the whole "shithole countries" thing...

a friend of mine worked on one of our BRICS negotiations, and even then, i hear from him, the mood was massively distrusting of the US. somewhere earlier in the thread CaptainOblivious i think, made the point about distrust of the US government being the underpinning for the things we're seeing. well, that's not limited to the US.

anyway.

 

[STS]

You'll have to ask Twitter.

Obviously they think it is fine. That was not censored as incitement of violence.

'Hang Mike Pence': Twitter stops phrase trending after Capitol riot

Chant was heard in the US Capitol on Wednesday as pro-Trump mob, incited by the president, stormed the building

www.theguardian.com

Twitter stopped the phrase “Hang Mike Pence” trending on Saturday, but not before it trended on the social media platform in the aftermath of the company’s decision to suspend Donald Trump’s account.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jan/10/us-capitol-mob-rioters-arrests-violence-brutality

The chant was heard in the US Capitol on Wednesday, as a mob incited by the president attempted a putsch, roaming the halls, confronting law enforcement and in some cases apparently planning to kidnap lawmakers.

Jim Bourg, a Reuters picture editor in Washington, said on Twitter: “I heard at least three different rioters at the Capitol say that they hoped to find Vice-President Mike Pence and execute him by hanging him from a Capitol Hill tree as a traitor. It was a common line being repeated. Many more were just talking about how the VP should be executed.”

 

[Vorastra]

a friend of mine worked on one of our BRICS negotiations,

In what capacity? Getting us into BRICS? Re-negotiations?

the mood was massively distrusting of the US.

But why.

 

[STS]

I already covered this crap in long posts in this thread. You'll continue to be fooled by the false media narrative even with a serious lack of evidence that Trump supporters are responsible for the violence, and plenty of evidence to the contrary.

Post number?

 

[daelm]

The Chinese really that blatant about it.

while the political leadership might be playing 3D chess in the background (i doubt it), the execution is left to average joes. i spent time in a wholly mainland Chinese community a long while back. they're nice people, but they're not subtle at all.

 

[STS]

BS. They successfully stormed the Capitol and there was no gunfight or any plan on taking over the government.

They took a few selfies and went home.

Americans are famous for taking selfies at lynchings you know

 

[daelm]

But why.

lots and lots of reasons.

without going into one or another, here, the big thing to take into account is the distinction between how the US presents its foreign policy (especially internally) and how everyone else in the world experiences it. we touched on this earlier in the thread when the Kennan long telegram and the realpolitik foreign policy stance came up briefly. (i think you might even have raised some of it, talking about the conditions imposed even on allied countries after WW2)

that kind of heavy-handedness is pretty normal. so, while they make a big deal about bringing democracy here and there, outside the US echo chamber people mostly experience very self-interested and self-serving interventions. all that rhetoric just looks like what it mosly is: them patting themselves on the back while fvcking people over. that leaves a mark and memories are long. add to that that during the actual Cold War, US involvement just caused chaos everywhere for the people who experienced it, and the nominally "soviet" or soviet-aligned bloc was smarter and provided things like doctors and funds and so on. as i said, people have long memories.

 

[sdrawk]

BS. They successfully stormed the Capitol and there was no gunfight or any plan on taking over the government.

They took a few selfies and went home.

That's how 5 people died. They were taking selfies.

 

[surface]

while the political leadership might be playing 3D chess in the background (i doubt it), the execution is left to average joes.

i spent time in a wholly mainland chinese community a long while back. they're nice people, but they're not subtle at all.

I am sure you mean well but just my take on this one.

Where ever X = any specific group, then X people are likely to behave differently in areas where X are majority than when X are in a minority.

Also, one cannot pin any specific attributes like nice, bad, good, subtle, direct, blunt etc. adjectives to an entire group, especially when it is a 1.2 billion group. There will be some similarities in certain aspects in a specific region because I suspect it would be case of trying to "fit" in where we stay.

Also, your "nice" experience could be a result of "you" belonging to a specific Y group. And it doesn't mean they will be nasty to a Z group. Every group has their preferred types and it is complicated as we are humans.

 

[netstrider]

Incoming White House Climate Team Blames 'Systemic Racism' for Climate Change - Washington Free Beacon

A pair of top incoming White House environmental aides has blamed "systemic racism" as a driver of climate change in an attempt to justify a government-led economic overhaul.

freebeacon.com

 

[daelm]

they're nice people, but they're not subtle at all.

@Vorastra

i'll give you an example. in the community i'm talking about, there was a parallel focus on community outreach work. so, things like using local labour, providing some limited welfare services, and trying to establish an orphanage. the Chinese are also very, very big on cultural superiority, so couched in their outreach efforts they also ran some Chinese language and culture classes. in order to do all of this, they sub-contracted mainland Chinese businesses as well. which means that a small Chinese community formed. that community engaged within itself pretty much as they normally would. which included casually calling the locals "monkies" as a normal part of the day. this went on for some time.

then they graduated their first locals from the language classes.


edit: i may have to delete this post later if it looks like it will dox that community.

 

[daelm]

I am sure you mean well but just my take on this one.

Where ever X = any specific group, then X people are likely to behave differently in areas where X are majority than when X are in a minority.

Also, one cannot pin any specific attributes like nice, bad, good, subtle, direct, blunt etc. adjectives to an entire group, especially when it is a 1.2 billion group. There will be some similarities in certain aspects in a specific region because I suspect it would be case of trying to "fit" in where we stay.

Also, your "nice" experience could be a result of "you" belonging to a specific Y group. And it doesn't mean they will be nasty to a Z group. Every group has their preferred types and it is complicated as we are humans.

U.S. Politics

It's a metaphor. Did she have a gun with her? No. And Hang Mike Pence is a metaphor too

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[cerebus]

Incoming White House Climate Team Blames 'Systemic Racism' for Climate Change - Washington Free Beacon

A pair of top incoming White House environmental aides has blamed "systemic racism" as a driver of climate change in an attempt to justify a government-led economic overhaul.

freebeacon.com

They're not blaming climate change on systemic racism, they're pointing out that the effects of climate change on non-whites are worse as a result of systemic racism:

The Link Between Systemic Racism and Climate Change in the US - Climate Scorecard

In the United States, the greatest burden of climate impacts are disproportionately borne by low-income communities of color. Extreme weather events like storms, wildfires, floods, and heat waves cause health problems and property damage across the U.S. Low-income communities often lack funding...

www.climatescorecard.org

For example, a study published in 2018 found those living in poverty were 35% more likely than average to be exposed to harmful particulate pollution. When broken down by race, non-whites were 28% more likely, and specifically Blacks were 54% more likely than average to be exposed to particulate matter.

Systems that harm non-white Americans and U.S. residents by supporting radicalized police violence, education and employment gaps, wealth gaps, and lower life expectancy also support politics governing climate change causes and responses in the U.S., making even action to mitigate climate change uneven in its application to people of different races.

Without strong federal climate policy, climate mitigation and resilience in the U.S. are often governed at the state and local level, and in many areas, this prioritizes action in higher-income white communities. Many climate mitigation incentives like electric vehicle tax credits, renewable energy contracts, and energy efficiency investments that cut costs and emissions in the long run are often inaccessible to poor residents because of high up-front cost barriers. Additionally, policies like fuel taxes intended to dis-incentivize emissions sources often put a higher burden on poorer residents with less disposable income than their richer peers.

 

[Cray]

You are a joke.

So much civility...

 

[buka001]

getting us in, i think. i'll check.



lots and lots of reasons.

without going into one or another, here, the big thing to take into account is the distinction between how the US presents its foreign policy (especially internally) and how everyone else in the world experiences it. we touched on this earlier in the thread when the Kennan long telegram and the realpolitik foreign policy stance came up briefly. (i think you might even have raised some of it, talking about the conditions imposed even on allied countries after WW2)

that kind of heavy-handedness is pretty normal. so, while they make a big deal about bringing democracy here and there, outside the US echo chamber people mostly experience very self-interested and self-serving interventions. sp all that rhetoric just looks like them patting themselves on the back while fvcking people over. that leaves a mark and memories are long. add to that that during the actual Cold War, US involvement just caused chaos everywhere for the people who experienced it, and the nominally "soviet" or soviet-aligned bloc was smarter and provided things like doctors and funds and so on. as i said, people have long memories.

Pretty much this.

Since 1945, the US foreign policy initiatives that the US brought about in Central America, South-East Asia and elsewhere were not what the US made them seem to be.