U.S. Politics

[AfricanTech]

You do realise before trump started hammering this china virus thing the whole world knew where the virus came from? The isolated xenophobia cases happened in those times.

Do you think Trump wanted people to have negative ideas about people from China or do you think he criticises the Chinese government?



Yet the American response was under severe scrutiny constantly for struggling to contain the pandemic. Starting with travel bans as early as beginning February. China implemented a local lockdown of Wuhan on the 23 January 2020, foreign restriction on the 28th March and their government threatened Dr. Li Wenliang for warning fellow clinicals of the virus in 2019.

You really don't see any reason to criticize the Chinese governments?

IMO there's a very good reason to look deep into what exactly happened in Wuhan China during the start of this outbreak. For both scientific reasons and prevention.

The Chinese government are not good people.

That doesn't excuse racism towards China.

 

[CaptainOblivious]

Bullshit

You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? But alas, it's true. And you play their game like a pro.

 

[AfricanTech]

It was known as the Wuhan virus long before it ever became the coronavirus. When CNN reported it as the Wuhan virus it was not xenophobic. Since trump called it the Wuhan virus and China virus it suddenly became taboo.

Proof:

Anyway, who wouldn't know which disease is being referred to when it's called the China virus?

When new info cones to light we move forward not backwards.

Start: call it Wuhan Virus
New info: coronavirus
New info: Covid 19

You don't go backwards and start calling it the China Virus

 

[Temujin]

Finally, TDS has been eliminated from humanity.

Sadly no, its still alive and well, even after the commies have him banned and he's now out of sight they are still screeching... hell, just think, the tds is so bad and over the top the dems are still trying to remove him from office

 

[Moosedrool]

The Chinese government are not good people.

That doesn't excuse racism towards China.

You have to first interpret it as racism. If I say Zimbabwe is a piece of rubbish country do you think I'm saying Zimbabweans are pieces of rubbish people?

 

[CaptainOblivious]

i've honestly never understood that. the thing we're referring to is explicitly and overwhelmingly violence against women, right? was there a small but vocal group of men's rights activists who said they felt excluded? genuine question.

Domestic violence against men - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

From 2010 to 2012, scholars of domestic violence from the U.S., Canada and the U.K. assembled The Partner Abuse State of Knowledge, a research database covering 1700 peer-reviewed studies, the largest of its kind. Among its findings:[62]

• More women (23%) than men (19.3%) have been assaulted at least once in their lifetime.
• Rates of female-perpetrated violence are higher than male-perpetrated (28.3% vs. 21.6%).
• Male and female IPV are perpetrated from similar motives.
• Studies comparing men and women in the power/control motive have mixed results overall.

 

[AfricanTech]

You. Will. Catch. Me. One. Day. Boetie.

He'll never catch you

Jy is te slim

 

[2023]

"China Virus" to me was a critic on China on it's poor food regulations/conditions. A reminder that China needs to be called out on this humanitarian problem they have. It's a reminder that corporations and governments are willing to turn a blind eye and not pressure China because China makes so much money for them.

ie. Calling China's Government out on their bullshit because no-one else has the balls to.

But apparently I got it wrong and it's meant to be a racist thing now.

 

[AfricanTech]

The delusional lefties will still say that there's no anti-conservative bias in the insane social media censorship.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1354149216348585986

As a matter of interest how many Democrats said things that led to illegal entry into the Senate and Congress?

 

[daelm]

Domestic violence against men - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

agreed. but the thing it tends to refer to is violence against women. (also, if you do the numbers, the latter has been going on for 10 000 years, just because we're bigger and capable, so when you add it in, the reverse gets lost in the numbers.) don't get me wrong, i don't have a horse in the race. if it's GBV, it's GBV. for me, it would have been easier to call it Mysoginistic Violence and be done with it, and maybe have a defined term for the reverse as well. they tend to be different problems and circumstances.

not relevant. anyway. back to topic.

 

[cerebus]

You have to first interpret it as racism. If I say Zimbabwe is a piece of rubbish country do you think I'm saying Zimbabweans are pieces of rubbish people?

The word you're looking for is "shithole", and yeah it's not hard to interpret such a statement as racist.

 

[AfricanTech]

As mentioned before Trump even started saying anything China virus the world already knew Wuhan China is in the midst of a crises and a virus originated there is moving around the world.

Xenophobic idiots prevailed.

Neither Trump or the GOP was the cause of people being racist xenophobes, racist xenophobes who has little to no understanding of viral infections where.

All he did, as per his normal playbook, was to legitimise it as the POTUS.

 

[AfricanTech]

while the political leadership might be playing 3D chess in the background (i doubt it), the execution is left to average joes. i spent time in a wholly mainland Chinese community a long while back. they're nice people, but they're not subtle at all.

Very similar to my experience.

Interestingly, very much like the Americans I've met in that regard, not inclined to subtlety.

 

[greg0205]

"Deplorable" is going to end up being history's biggest undersell, ever.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1354420542678441986

 

[AfricanTech]

damn.. woolies is going to be closed again.

Just when they reported good profits too respite the lockdown

 

[CaptainOblivious]

agreed. but the thing it tends to refer to is violence against women. (also, if you do the numbers, the latter has been going on for 10 000 years, just because we're bigger and capable, so when you add it in, the reverse gets lost in the numbers.) don't get me wrong, i don't have a horse in the race. if it's GBV, it's GBV. for me, it would have been easier to call it Mysoginistic Violence and be done with it, and maybe have a defined term for the reverse as well. they tend to be different problems and circumstances.

not relevant. anyway. back to topic.

Yes, but shitty feminists couldn't hide behind the fig leaf of equality if they were actually honest about their agenda, so instead they frame the issue as if they're attempting to fight for everyone.

Of course, the left is starting to move on past this trope. Instead now if you say 'all lives matter' and not 'black lives matter', you're racist. I predict the shitty feminists will follow suite before the decade is out.

 

[AfricanTech]

Filthy centrist

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Seems familiar that....

 

[daelm]

Yes, but shitty feminists couldn't hide behind the fig leaf of equality if they were actually honest about their agenda, so instead they frame the issue as if they're attempting to fight for everyone.

genuinely not following.

 

[greg0205]

Yes, but shitty feminists couldn't hide behind the fig leaf of equality if they were actually honest about their agenda, so instead they frame the issue as if they're attempting to fight for everyone.

Of course, the left is starting to move on past this trope. Instead now if you say 'all lives matter' and not 'black lives matter', you're racist. I predict the shitty feminists will follow suite before the decade is out.

 

[Tofu]

"China Virus" to me was a critic on China on it's poor food regulations/conditions. A reminder that China needs to be called out on this humanitarian problem they have. It's a reminder that corporations and governments are willing to turn a blind eye and not pressure China because China makes so much money for them.

ie. Calling China's Government out on their bullshit because no-one else has the balls to.

But apparently I got it wrong and it's meant to be a racist thing now.

I believe your interpretation to have been wrong then.

When trump started calling it the "China virus" it had nothing to do with any human rights concerns. trump's track record of being concerned about human rights is exactly zero. His humanitarian concerns were always exactly zero. His only concerns were ever to deflect blame for the effect that the virus was having on his precious economy, appearing 'strong' and to prop China up as a useful enemy, given that they are the only ones with the economic clout to rival that of the US.

trump is and was bitter about the fact that a virus, originating in China, that China was in no way completely transparent about, was harming his political fortunes, and as always, trump's reaction to anything was petty revenge in whatever way possible. Do not fool yourself that this had anything to do with atrocities committed within China's borders.

Was his initial intent to be racist? I don't believe so. I believe trump is naturally racist without even being aware of it, like many racists. Whether deliberate or not, the effect of his deliberate usage of the phrase was that it unequivocally caused an uptick in racist behaviour toward Asians, in very much the same way that his denigration of Muslims and Mexicans have had that the same effect. He emboldens racists. As likely as it was that this fact was reported to him, it's just not something that concerns him in the least. His utter lack of humanity and decency is one of the main reasons that liberals find him so repulsive.

The EO apparently being put into place now is to combat the effect that he had with his repeated unnecessary use of that term.