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[UK] Critically ill man is former Russian spy

buka001

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#62
Don't dodge the question, who stands to gain?


Litvenko was taken out within a month of "defecting", one could argue he was silenced before he could do any real damage. Whatever damage Skripal was going to do has already been done ages ago, ergo Russia does not stand to gain anything by killing him now.

Ukraine invasion? Oh please, who's indulging in batshyte conspiracy theories now? Russia's presence anywhere other than Crimea remains nothing more than unproven allegations and conjecture even now. When it comes to Crimea, they had established military bases for years and have always been present there with Ukraine's official consent, hardly an "invasion".

Russia did indeed stand to gain from the Crimean annexation, but then again Russia freely admits its role in Crimea, so nobody is left guessing.
Russia denied invading Crimea at first and denied it would annex it.

So to say because Russia denies it, it must be true has been proven by Putin himself as something one should take with a pinch of salt.

Its equally laughable to assert that Russia has had no military presence in Ukraine. Those poor soldiers who keep getting lost while on "holiday" and end up dying in battle deep inside Ukraine must have missed the map education classes.

And the rebels who never run out of ammo and have the latest series of T-72 tanks that Ukraine never had.

The list goes on.
 

OrbitalDawn

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#63
Good to see NBFTW is still working hard to earn his rubles.

I am just curious, is your family Russian or do you have some personal connection with a Russian?
Putinistas take this stuff very seriously. Friend of mine is half-Russian and his mom is the same. Shall not criticise the dear leader!

I never imagined I'd meet a human being incapable of understanding the difference between "invited military presence" and "invasion".

Tell me, if the USA decided to seize every nation where it has a military presence, you wouldn't consider that an invasion, right?
Also, they denied and lied about invading Crimea for how long before finally admitting it?

The list keeps getting longer:

https://www.reddit.com/r/RussiaDenies/
 

OrbitalDawn

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#64
Another unfortunate coincidence.

Putin enemy found dead in London eight days after Skripal poisoning, as counter-terror police launch investigation

Counter terrorism police have launched an investigation into the ‘unexplained’ death of a Russian business partner of Boris Berezovsky, Vladimir Putin’s arch enemy.

Nikolai Grushkov, 69, was found dead at his home in New Malden in south London on Monday evening.

Grushkov was the closest aide to Berezovsky who died in mysterious circumstances in 2013 at his home in Surrey.
 

OrbitalDawn

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Nasty stuff.

Novichok inventor says hundreds could be at risk for years

A Russian chemical weapons scientist has told Sky News that people exposed to even tiny traces of the nerve agent used to attack a spy and his daughter in Salisbury could be in danger of developing symptoms in years to come.

Dr Vil Mirzayanov is a chemist who ran the technical counter-intelligence department in Russia's chemical weapons institute.

He helped make "novichok", the class of nerve agents the British government says was used to poison defected spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia.

The doctor said that even minuscule amounts could affect victims, and that symptoms could develop "in years".
 

NarrowBandFtw

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#66
Russia denied invading Crimea at first and denied it would annex it.
they denied and lied about invading Crimea for how long before finally admitting it?
Oh the selective memories of the "muh Russia" brigade! :D

Why don't you be more specific and cite these alleged denials? Could it be that the only denial you'll find is one of masked troops in late Feb 2014 not being Russian? How long you ask? 10 days, by 1 March the Russian parliament openly discussed sending troops to "stabilize the situation", by 18 March Crimea was officially Russia.
 

NarrowBandFtw

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#67
Lol the FSB is filled with too many drunkards on vodka taking backhands. They couldn't even do sport doping right :crylaugh:
Right, thank you for highlighting yet another anti-Russia campaign by the west. How many athletes were summarily suspended again? How many of those ended up actually doping?

/gg
 

Cray

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Right, thank you for highlighting yet another anti-Russia campaign by the west. How many athletes were summarily suspended again? How many of those ended up actually doping?
So the whole Sochi sample tampering thing was just another example of poor, maligned Russia being unfairly victimized?
 

The_Assimilator

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#69
When accused of a crime, is the correct response for an innocent party to (a) do anything to assist in clearing their name (b) threaten the accuser? Guess which option Russia has gone with.

https://www.apnews.com/e4a7ee61e173...sia-warns-UK-over-ultimatums,-points-at-nukes

The Russian Foreign Ministry’s spokeswoman has warned Britain against putting ultimatums to Russia, reminding the U.K. about its nuclear arsenal.

Maria Zakharova said in televised remarks Tuesday that “no one can come to parliament and say: ‘I give Russia 24 hours,’” a reference to British Prime Minister Theresa May giving Russia a deadline to explain how a Russia-designed nerve agent could have been used to poison former spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter.

Russia has denied involvement and said it won’t respond to a British ultimatum unless it gets samples of the nerve agent in line with rules of the international chemical weapons watchdog.

Zakharova said Britain mustn’t try to scare Russia and pointed to Russian President Vladimir Putin’s recent speech in which he presented a range of new nuclear weapons.
 

Jola

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crackersa

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They wouldn't, which foreign intelligence / counter terror / special ops organizations are the leaders in the craft today?

Let's say the CIA, FBI, NSA, SEALs etc are certainly on the list. Who else? Do you honestly think the FSB, Spetsnaz etc wouldn't be there too? It's not about them being "so badass", it is about them being among many sinister groups around the world that can do this shyte without getting caught, just like the CIA. Hell the NSA collected the entire world's data for years without being caught, it took an insider turning whistle-blower before they were outed.

A single assassination is child's play compared to that scale. Not sure how you reckon their navy factors in at all, the USSR fell apart, budgets had to be cut. Do you think they'd cut intelligence service budgets anywhere near the level of a capital intensive thing like the navy?
So your saying the intentionally let their military forces go to shambles but still kept their intelligence programs in place. Has any other countries that you can name have a ****ty military and fist class intelligence system in place?

And I want to remind you, Russia’s for a period couldn’t pay its service members, and by your own words it can be assumed they was to busy running black ops and couldn’t afford to pay its military.


Smh....you can’t make this schit up.

Disclaimer - I hate the Russian govt and it’s anti gay laws.
 

buka001

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#73
Oh the selective memories of the "muh Russia" brigade! :D

Why don't you be more specific and cite these alleged denials? Could it be that the only denial you'll find is one of masked troops in late Feb 2014 not being Russian? How long you ask? 10 days, by 1 March the Russian parliament openly discussed sending troops to "stabilize the situation", by 18 March Crimea was officially Russia.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo...tin-says-those-arent-russian-forces-in-crimea

Must be my memory.

Russia is not going to try to annex Crimea, Putin said.
 

buka001

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#74
Strange how avowed British "patriots" have been deathly silent over this event?

Paul Joseph Watson
Nigel Farrage

Makes one think.
 

rietrot

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I would actually think it unpatriotic to want to go to war with Russia because they killed one of their own spies. Why would any patriotic Britain put his fellow countrymen's life in danger for that.
 

yebocan

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I would actually think it unpatriotic to want to go to war with Russia because they killed one of their own spies. Why would any patriotic Britain put his fellow countrymen's life in danger for that.
First it was the Alexander Litvinenko's polonium poisoning - now this - what next? As a patriot, you would ask, why the hell is a foreign power being allowed to get away with it.
 

Unhappy438

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So the whole Sochi sample tampering thing was just another example of poor, maligned Russia being unfairly victimized?
Ya shame poor Russia always the victim its never their fault. The thing is Russia wants to be a world power but they are too low down the pecking order to be one. So the only way they can try and achieve it is by bringing everyone else down to their pathetic level.
 
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