UK Daily Mail - Zuma Article

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No, the Eurasians would be dead! Only Aryans in perfect health would be allowed to happily and continuously copulate to fill the continent with more cute perfectly healthy Ayans. The fact that you say he was a megalomaniac who cared only for himself is totally null and void because every ****ing politician on this planet is exactly the same. Especially Obama. But that's irrelevant.

Alan, neither of us can win this one because the law of argument states that if you argue correctly, you're never wrong. We both have valid points that can be backed up. Hitler's methods were atrocious but the end would have justified the means. Twenty years ago, giving Mugabe Lead in Head syndrome may have been thought of as totally crazy. But today, it's impossible to kill him and would have been better for the world if he had died.

A much more debatable and interesting topic is the theory that all prominent politicians are only prominent because of big bucks funders and that, consequently, Hitler was funded by the Rothschild German-Jews so that they could claim the riches of all the gassed Jews.

I hope the word "conspiracy" isn't found in your dictionary. Since most people only use the word conspiracy when confronted with something their minute minds can't possible hope to cope with.
 

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No, the Eurasians would be dead! Only Aryans in perfect health would be allowed to happily and continuously copulate to fill the continent with more cute perfectly healthy Ayans. The fact that you say he was a megalomaniac who cared only for himself is totally null and void because every ****ing politician on this planet is exactly the same. Especially Obama. But that's irrelevant.

Untrue. Most politicians don't start death orders based on Karl Marx and exterminate millions of people. BTW all indigenous populations of Europe are 'Aryans' - that term also includes Indians, Persian and Pakistanis ie the Indo-European group of people - most inhabitants of Europe and Asia Minor, did you know that?

Alan, neither of us can win this one because the law of argument states that if you argue correctly, you're never wrong. We both have valid points that can be backed up. Hitler's methods were atrocious but the end would have justified the means. Twenty years ago, giving Mugabe Lead in Head syndrome may have been thought of as totally crazy. But today, it's impossible to kill him and would have been better for the world if he had died.

Untrue. Your arguments are based on racist ideologies. Please demonstrate to me in what way was Germany superior to its neighbours? What did Germany achieve that it's neighbours didn't?

A much more debatable and interesting topic is the theory that all prominent politicians are only prominent because of big bucks funders and that, consequently, Hitler was funded by the Rothschild German-Jews so that they could claim the riches of all the gassed Jews.

Total nonsense. Hitler did not need any Rothschild's to fund him. He had it all, full co-operation of the German Industrialists who were afraid of the Bolsheviks - Hitler simply took over their means of production in Marxist style.

Such far fetched conspiracy theories fail the Occam's razor Principle. There was no documented involvement of any US Jews or any other parties in support of the NSDAP. In fact if there was any help it came from fellow socialists in the West - but it was mode ideological.

I hope the word "conspiracy" isn't found in your dictionary. Since most people only use the word conspiracy when confronted with something their minute minds can't possible hope to cope with.

Oh nonsense, most people use logic and reasoning. It's also a sign of a weak mind to elevate your own intellect above other people. Gee whiz man - next you'll tell us you belong to the StormFront Forum.
 

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It's too late for sharp shooting, Peter, but I'll humour you.

When referring to Aryans I mean the tall blonde blue eyed type. Not other Europeans like the Polish or the French, neither of whom fared great in WWII.

Stop quoting me out of context. Being a megalomaniac and caring only for theirself is a sign of a politician. I didn't say other politicians explicitly killed millions of people. I said they all think only of themselves.

Hitler envisioned a perfect world. His perfect may not comply with your perfect. However, he was somewhat interrupted by WWII in his effort to create the Third Reich. The fact that he took a raped Germany to a world power is more than enough proof that he was fully capable of carrying out his plans, had the Americans not intervened.
 

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It's too late for sharp shooting, Peter, but I'll humour you.

When referring to Aryans I mean the tall blonde blue eyed type. Not other Europeans like the Polish or the French, neither of whom fared great in WWII.

Fared great in WW2? Well obviously the Poles - and that's common knowledge did not go all out to fight Germany. They had been in an mutual defence pact with Britain and France. They expected to delay the war long enough to allow the French and British to counter-attack from the West
and put an end to Nazi dreams. The invasion by the Soviets put an end to those plans - their forces scattered and continued to fight and kill Aryan Nazis with great success to the last days of WW2 on 3 fronts (home, West and East). Your limited knowledge of history is evident. Same on other fronts, Germany for example was never able to subjugate Serbia and various resistance bodies fought the Nazis off all over Europe. The only way Aryan Nazis were able to instill a semblance of control was through mass deportations of civilians and executions of men, women and children which they did to their own allies - they even killed Italian women and children (after Mussolini's death that is).

How well did Germany fare in WW2, against say the mixed ethnicity partially Aryan Americans? With the exception of one short counter-attack - Battle of the Bulge - the Germans were obliterated by the US Forces. Battle of Britain - the Poles gave German pilots a whipping and shot down more German 'Aryan' pilots than other nationalities. Heck they even cracked the German ENIGMA code long before the people at Bletchley Park. You may also want to know that on the borders between France and Germany and Germany and Poland there was so much intermarriage that even now you find Frenchmen with German surnames and Germans with Polish surnames. Hitler's ideas were warped and totally unfounded on any objective history or science. His utopia was irrational. On the one hand he offered to cut a deal with Poland to join the Axis - when the Poles refused knowing full well that he was a murderous nut - he attacked.

Stop quoting me out of context. Being a megalomaniac and caring only for theirself is a sign of a politician. I didn't say other politicians explicitly killed millions of people. I said they all think only of themselves.

The way you express yourself is the way people will quote you. Hitler and the Nazis were murderous killers like no other people in history (until Pol Pot) - even the Stalinists killed according to class but you could change your class - you couldn't change your language. To draw parallels between personal ambition - something most people have and professional goals on the one hand and megalomania is a great fallacy and a terribly generalisation about most politicians.

Hitler envisioned a perfect world. His perfect may not comply with your perfect. However, he was somewhat interrupted by WWII in his effort to create the Third Reich. The fact that he took a raped Germany to a world power is more than enough proof that he was fully capable of carrying out his plans, had the Americans not intervened.

Hitler bankrrupt Germany. Germany had to start a war for resources and labour because they simply used all their methods of production to re-arm and mobilise. Germany was not able to sustain their growth much longer, in the same way the Soviet Union - with greater land mass, more resources and greater numbers of people was not able to outlast the West. Germany had ceased to be a capitalist state but had become a Communist one (not in name but in effect - a communal society of worker ant like subjects all bowing to Herr Hitler) - again Hitler followed Marx - by controlling the means of production - Hitler and his buds were able to rebuild the military but they first had to get rid of the Jews who were intelligent and successful people and were able to penetrate the financial and merchant aspects of the German society and in effect rule Germany through their bourses. Seems the Aryans were not able to control their own nation fairly without gassing the said Jews or deporting them (they did gas most though).
After WW2, United States money - in the form of the Marshall Plans, protection by the US Armed forces and reduced German expenditure on military assets and opening of Western (and world) markets to German products allowed post-Nazi West Germany to flourish. It's interesting to note that many Nazis were able to travel back and forth between West Germany and South America while the German police did nothing - it took Israeli Nazi hunters to take these people out before West Germans started issuing arrest warrants. The Western Capitalist system allowed Germany to prosper - a system which was reinstated and nurtured by the United States and Britain. Had Hitler got his way Germany would be a fascist collectivist society. Look how the emergence
of the free market systems in Germany, Japan and South Korea introduced the highest industrial and quality standards in those countries - all thanks to the US of A.

This is going all terribly off topic but I'm glad we were able to weasel out some of your racist and anti-Semitic points. If you disagree with Hitler I apologise but your anti-Jewish views earlier and heavy 'Aryan' ideologies seem to betray some sentiments from you.
 
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Adolf Hitler took an impoverished, jobless, raped Germany and made it a world power. He took four million men off the streets and had them employed. He envisioned a perfect world. Can you really blame him for that? Of course, his methods were despicable and he will unfortunately be remembered only for that.

Yes, very unfortunate. What a truly honourable man he was. It is evident by your wording (which is not accidental by the looks of things) that you're a bit of a Hitler sympathiser. You believe that the world took nothing positive out of Hitler's reign? Are you on a first name basis with your ostrich partner or did you kick him out to make use of the hole on your own?

After WWI, Germany was in shambles. Hitler took it from there to a power that terrified the entire world.

His mother should be so proud. The fact that you see this as an accomplishment is worrying enough...

His dobermann, Nazi, Hitler posters instilled fear all over the globe. That's remarkable.

Yes, quite remarkable. What a great man!! If I managed to overpower democratic countries with brute force and place placards proclaiming white supremacist power, would you revere me as much as you do Hitler? What a remarkable man. A true inspiration for some, clearly...


And as for the Jews, America sent boatloads of Jewish refugees back to the gas chambers, because America believed Hitler was going to take over the entire world and they really didn't want to house what Hitler viewed as the scum of the earth. Go Yankees.

Sorry, but the glare from your hat is shining in my eyes. Can you please take it off?

No, the Eurasians would be dead! Only Aryans in perfect health would be allowed to happily and continuously copulate to fill the continent with more cute perfectly healthy Ayans.

Jeezuz Kristofer - you need a history lesson on Ayans by the sounds of things.

Moreso, you reckon that's a good thing? Or are you merely stating Hitler's objectives for the sake of stating the obvious? Even more than that is your glaringly obvious lack of economic education. Even by your own bastardly simplified economic assumptions, your outcomes are incorrect. Please educate yourself on economics related to globalisation, which was rife even during WW2 already, if not pivotal. Either Germany and its newly acquired 'states' had to isolate itself from globalisation or it had to initiate its own version, which no other continent would have agreed to. You perfect world, blonde haired, blue eyed banker was never plausible. Come on, use your brain ffs...

But that's irrelevant.

So seeing as that your preceding argument is based on what you deem to be irrelevant, we'll take your resultant speech with the same pinch of salt...

Alan, neither of us can win this one because the law of argument states that if you argue correctly, you're never wrong. We both have valid points that can be backed up.

So by that assumption then there is never any point in disagreement or debate for that matter, because neither side is able to 'win'? Evidently you're a lot more naive than you come across from the outset then. You might as well not respond to this post then, based on your own principles. Unless we agree, there is no point in debate. You've clearly never grasped the concept in that case...

A much more debatable and interesting topic is the theory that all prominent politicians are only prominent because of big bucks funders and that, consequently, Hitler was funded by the Rothschild German-Jews so that they could claim the riches of all the gassed Jews.

Bwahahaha - they've got you hook, line and sinker. It all makes a little more sense now. WW2 was a distraction for the lizard-men to secretly take control of the NWO through the underhanded operations of the Illuminati then? Makes perfect sense...unless you're capable of original thought, that is. Ironic that conspiracy nuts tend to follow the mainstream negative stories whilst denouncing official ones in the same breath. Poetically ironic, actually...

When referring to Aryans I mean the tall blonde blue eyed type. Not other Europeans like the Polish or the French, neither of whom fared great in WWII.

So why not refer to them as such then, instead of moulding definitions to suit your weighted position?

Stop quoting me out of context.

Now where have I heard that before? Hmmm...

Being a megalomaniac and caring only for theirself is a sign of a politician. I didn't say other politicians explicitly killed millions of people. I said they all think only of themselves.

Bizarre that you miss the connection! Actually the two (mind your spelling errors) are synonymous, regardless of how you paint your picture. Much like stating that serial killers are not guilty of their crimes because all of them have a screw loose somewhere along the cranial lines. It's exactly the same thing here - you're dismissing a character flaw based on a gross generalisation, using it to back up your own point of view that Hitler wasn't an evil d00s because, well, "all other politicians are". Therein lies your generalisation flaw; and therein lies your blatantly obvious justification problem...

Hitler envisioned a perfect world. His perfect may not comply with your perfect. However, he was somewhat interrupted by WWII in his effort to create the Third Reich. The fact that he took a raped Germany to a world power is more than enough proof that he was fully capable of carrying out his plans, had the Americans not intervened.

NO NO NO. Hitler envisaged a perfect world according to hitler. Please learn to make yourself clear from the outset. This was a world considered perfect only to hitler and those brainwashed or twisted enough to go along with the plan. Do you see it as being a 'perfect world'?

Yes, somewhat interrupted is a rather light way of putting it. It implies that this vision of his was irrelevant to the war. Semantics, whilst overlooked by others, are a hobby-horse for the rest of us and speak volumes about a person.

Now the ending of this post, taken out of context would be ambiguous to say the least. Are you applauding the US involvement or are you negatively judging them based on it? Considering the context of your post, I'd say it's safe to assume that the latter is your intention which in this day and age, is sad to read. Much like those denying the holocaust because Alex Jones and David Icke told them that they have it on good authority that it was a rather large hoax; one in which all jews around the world were in on and deserve oscars for their sterling performances.

Now if I've judged you correctly, then you'll come out all guns blazing, defending your opinions (and by relation, defending hitler), attempting to mock me for pointing out your logical absurdities, stating that I have quoted you out of context, making assumptions about me with which to accuse me of later, using leading questions, and generally just being a vengeful nuisance.

Judgement correct: self-fulfilling prophecy
Judgement incorrect: self-fulfilling doomsday prophecy.

EDIT: judgement appears incorrect. At least you accepted your own argument that debating is pointless...
 
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PETER HITCHENS on South Africa's next president

I hear some of you asking what did mandela do, well let me give you this scenario just in case you did not know, i dont you if some of you heard of the Pan african national congress the more militant party than the ANC thier slogan was "ONE SETTLER ONE BULLET" and that is what would have happend if PAC came to power infact some of the more hardline of the ANC wanted it to be that way "ONE SETTLER ONE BULLET". i always wondered were the racists of pre-1994 went to the did not stop being racist or bitter beacuse of the change in administration.Peter Hitchens is racist his comments are not only directed at Zuma but Africans as a whole, the hypocrysy of westerners is well know americans and the british have fianaced bigots, "he lacks the western polish" implying that what is western is good what is african bad type of mentality, $2 trillion dollars is unaccounted for in the pentagon are they heading for a fialed state in the US? the article in very angry beacuse of of the failed state nonsense is spoken by Helen Zille, what proof does he base his assuptions about riged elections?
 

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I hear some of you asking what did mandela do, well let me give you this scenario just in case you did not know, i dont you if some of you heard of the Pan african national congress the more militant party than the ANC thier slogan was "ONE SETTLER ONE BULLET" and that is what would have happend if PAC came to power infact some of the more hardline of the ANC wanted it to be that way "ONE SETTLER ONE BULLET". i always wondered were the racists of pre-1994 went to the did not stop being racist or bitter beacuse of the change in administration.Peter Hitchens is racist his comments are not only directed at Zuma but Africans as a whole, the hypocrysy of westerners is well know americans and the british have fianaced bigots, "he lacks the western polish" implying that what is western is good what is african bad type of mentality, $2 trillion dollars is unaccounted for in the pentagon are they heading for a fialed state in the US? the article in very angry beacuse of of the failed state nonsense is spoken by Helen Zille, what proof does he base his assuptions about riged elections?

My but you have your blinkers on today. Actually the quote is
He completely lacks the Westernised polish and smoothness of Mandela and Mbeki.

Which says something completely different from what you make it out to say.

I dont think Hitchens has it spot on, but it might be entertaining if you could walk us through his statements and point out the factual mistakes?
 

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I hear some of you asking what did mandela do, well let me give you this scenario just in case you did not know, i dont you if some of you heard of the Pan african national congress the more militant party than the ANC thier slogan was "ONE SETTLER ONE BULLET" and that is what would have happend if PAC came to power infact some of the more hardline of the ANC wanted it to be that way "ONE SETTLER ONE BULLET". i always wondered were the racists of pre-1994 went to the did not stop being racist or bitter beacuse of the change in administration.Peter Hitchens is racist his comments are not only directed at Zuma but Africans as a whole, the hypocrysy of westerners is well know americans and the british have fianaced bigots, "he lacks the western polish" implying that what is western is good what is african bad type of mentality, $2 trillion dollars is unaccounted for in the pentagon are they heading for a fialed state in the US? the article in very angry beacuse of of the failed state nonsense is spoken by Helen Zille, what proof does he base his assuptions about riged elections?
ROFL
Now it may be agreed that the article contains some media hype but how about you point out what you imagine to be untruths and explain why you believe them to be untruths and at the same time provide reliable sources to support such daft claims and until such time we'll just keep believing that we have a new troll in our midst and get out the jar of stale troll cookies.
 

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kgotong is another Western basher. He is trying to turn this into a Western vs Africa thing.
 

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He completely lacks the Westernised polish and smoothness of Mandela and Mbeki.

Kgotong, I would have to say that this points more to Zuma's lack of sophistication than it has to do with anything "good" or "bad". I think even Malema sees that, doesn't he?
 

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Peter Hitchens is racist his comments are not only directed at Zuma but Africans as a whole, the hypocrysy of westerners is well know americans and the british have fianaced bigots, "he lacks the western polish" implying that what is western is good what is african bad type of mentality, $2 trillion dollars is unaccounted for in the pentagon are they heading for a fialed state in the US? the article in very angry beacuse of of the failed state nonsense is spoken by Helen Zille, what proof does he base his assuptions about riged elections?

Well, there you have it. Peter Hitchens is a racist. Well, obviously. He's white, just like Helen Zille. Hey, that must mean Helen is a racist too! The logic is watertight.


Here's the difference between corruption in the West and corruption in Africa:

West: Corruption -> public outcry -> resignations of implicated individuals -> laws changed to prevent reoccurence.

Africa: Corruption -> "The West does it, so why can't we?" -> public adulation of implicated individuals -> laws changed to protect implicated individuals -> More Corruption

Yes, Africa, what you are doing is bad. The West may not be perfect but it's doing a whole lot better!
 

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kgotong is another Western basher. He is trying to turn this into a Western vs Africa thing.

Yeah, and if you grabbed by the ankles and jerked him up and down so that everything he carried on his person fall out, I would suggest that 100% of the items where of western design/make/concept and 0% would be of african design/make/concept. Yet he does like his cell phone and chicken wings.
 

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Yeah, and if you grabbed by the ankles and jerked him up and down so that everything he carried on his person fall out, I would suggest that 100% of the items where of western design/make/concept and 0% would be of african design/make/concept. Yet he does like his cell phone and chicken wings.

LOL, at western chicken wings :D
 

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i am not a western basher and i am still waiting for my other reply to be posted for some reason i am still waiting the article is african bashing and yes i am caring stuff of western design i have an ipod of western design but it does not excuse the racism i the article nor its justification and reason for pushing an agenda of souh africa becoming a failed state just because of zuma corruption charges Tony blair was accused of bribery in an arms deal before and still he has not seen his day in court
 

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if south african Europeans feel south africa is becoming a failed state then they should go home they have passports anyway they have no ancestral connection to the continent so why stay
 

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i am sorry Balstrome like zuma i lack the Western Polish" since i am Pedi Speaking by origin
 
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