UK Daily Mail - Zuma Article

LCBXX

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Just a message to the kgotong fella:
Under the Apartheid government, the African population were kept in the townships with 18:00 horns and police patrols in the "white" areas. Africans had little right to education and other humane dignities, with the main reason being 'keep the blacks poor, uneducated and uninformed, thus preventing them from rising up against their oppressors'

Sir, I cannot vote for the ANC pary for the same reason stated above. To date the ANC is still keeping the majority of [the same] black South Africans poor, uneducated, uninformed and in the townships in an effort to gain their ANC vote with promises of free this, free that. Sure, those in the townships now have access to schools etc, but we all know that something "free" is not nearly as half good as something paid for. For 15 "free" years, those who've had to bear the majority of the brunt regarding the poor ANC municipal governance and service delivery, have been those exact same ANC voters who struggled prior to the end of Apartheid. Many of them will tell you that things haven't changed much for the better in the last 15 years. Yet many believe black people are now free; they still appear very oppressed to me?

I'm appalled at the ANC still trying to bribe voters with promises of alleged free food parcels. I'm appalled at the fact that the ANC manipulates the desperate into voting for them with promises of a better life that they weren't even able to barely fathom in 15 years of governance.
I cannot, sir, vote for a party that promised the world to the masses, hungry for change, and then went and, instead to building it, trampled our country back into the Apartheid dust from which is barely rose, and then went and blamed everybody (including the past) but themselves for the debacle.

The ANC posters read "Together We Can Do More". Do more what exactly? Our roads are in shambles. Corruption is rife. Municipal service delivery is a sham. People sit in cues for days, only to receive pathetic governmental service. All whilst the ANC top dogs and their cronies get richer with more power.

I'm sorry, but I'm way to proud of being a South African to allow the ANC government to continue to ruin my country of birth for another 5 years.
 
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I have the utmost respect for Mandela... but if you apply for the Job... you should be able to do it :rolleyes:
That's like saying you
manage a prison & be expected to keep
incidents of violence & sexual assasult at zero - it cannot be done, it is not possible!
 

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That's like saying you
manage a prison & be expected to keep
incidents of violence & sexual assasult at zero - it cannot be done, it is not possible!

Yes it can
TO THOSE OF YOU NOT FAMILIAR WITH JOE ARPAIO, HE IS THE MARICOPA COUNTY SHERIFF (ARIZONA) AND HE KEEPS GETTING ELECTED OVER AND OVER AGAIN.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio created the "tent city jail" to save Arizona from spending tens of millions of dollars on another expensive prison complex.

He has jail meals down to 20 cents a serving and charges the inmates for them.

He banned smoking and pornographic magazines in the jails, and took away their weightlifting equipment and cut off all but "G" movies. He says:
"They're in jail to pay a debt to society not to build muscles so they can assault innocent people when they leave."

He started chain gangs to use the inmates to do free work on county and city projects and save taxpayer's money.

Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued for discrimination.

He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up the cable TV again but only allows the Disney channel and the weather channel.

When asked why the weather channel, he replied: "So these morons will know how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs."
He cut off coffee because it has zero nutritional value and is therefore a waste of taxpayer money. When the inmates complained, he told them, "This isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you don't like it, don't come back."
He also bought the Newt Gingrich lecture series on US history that he pipes into the jails. When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture series by a Democrat, he replied that a democratic lecture series that actually tells the truth for a change would be welcome and that it might even explain why 95% of the inmates were in his jails in the first place.

With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116 degrees just set a new record for June 2nd 2007), the Associated Press reported: About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed wire surrounded tent encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.

On the Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing pink boxer shorts were overheard chatting in the tents, where temperatures reached 128 degrees.
"This is hell. It feels like we live in a furnace," said Ernesto Gonzales, an inmate for 2 years with 10 more to go. "It's inhumane."
Joe Arpaio, who makes his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. "Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury until it's time for parole, only to go out and commit more crimes so they can come back in to live on taxpayers money and enjoy things many taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves."

The same day he told all the inmates who were complaining of the heat in the tents: "It's between 120 to 130 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers are living in tents too, and they have to walk all day in the sun, wearing full battle gear and get shot at, and they have not committed any crimes, so shut your damned mouths!"

Way to go, Sheriff! If all prisons were like yours there would be a lot less crime and we would not be in the current position of running out of prison spaces.

Sheriff Joe was just re-elected as Sheriff in Maricopa County, Arizona

For president !
 

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Yip, this has been around for a while, however one fatal flaw.....
You need to have an uncorrupt judicial system that will actually find people guilty in order to fill up the prisons :D

Tent Prison for Klein Karoo maybe? And help them with the road works currently going on there (or at least there were road works in Jan when I was there :D)
 

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You can see this is a author who has got newspapers to sell.

I personally think JZ will not be all that bad, and besides its adapt and survive.

He is right about the 2 worlds that can not co-exist forever.

At some point the 40 million will seek to take from the 4-8 million who have.

larrychang : Mandela is a great man, but he was an ineffectual leader... and politcally naive in many respects. What Peter Hitchens says in that article is correct.

No its like saying manage a prison and show improvement.

Not manage a prison and sleep through your 8 hour shift.

Mandela as person = Great man.

Mandela as a good political leader and country president = not so good.
 

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make that a booby trapped & mined prison,
where the mine map is at the hands of the previous warden who has beef with you.
 

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The grisly Winnie Mandela, a convicted fraud with a creepy past, is number five on the ANC's parliamentary election list, despite the fact that as a criminal she is legally banned from being an MP. She is expected to be a minister in any Zuma government

Good point :(
 

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But she is not legally banned from being an MP. :confused:
Dodgy, creepy past & possibly a murderer yes.
 

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Gotta love that sheriff: "During the summer of 2003, when outside temperatures exceeded 110 °F (43 °C), which is higher than average, Arpaio said to complaining inmates, "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and the soldiers are living in tents and they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your mouths."[24] Inmates were given permission to wear only their pink underwear." - from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Arpaio
 

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@ larry

Wide-eyed idealism has let us down again, as it always does.
It was not, as the fashionable people claimed, a fairy story. History did not stop when Nelson Mandela ended his long walk to freedom. They are not all going to live happily ever after.

That is the sad truth :(
 

ToxicBunny

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That article wasn't entirely objective... Specifically this part

You refer to Nelson Mandela as “politically ineffectual and naive”. Just the opposite is true. Only a genuine statesman and adept politician could have steered this country away from civil war to peace as he did.

As much as Nelson Mandela was a great man, he was politically ineffectual and naive and was taken for a ride and still is, by a lot of people
 

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I don't like reading about foreign people criticising out country like that, acting like they know all and are so brilliant. Jacob Zuma should bring all the supporters and sing Mshini Wami outside his house.
 

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And what would that achieve Pooky?

Criticism is one of the best ways of learning about yourself and improving yourself.. if its constructive..... or do you just want to our country to be run by yes-men?
 

Pooky

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Our own journalists should be left to criticise, not some know-it-all poncy british chap.

Same deal with that terrible write-up by Jeremy Clarkson.
 

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And why shouldn't British journalists be allowed to write stories on SA?...

Many of the points in the article by Peter Hitchens were valid.. they may have been dealt with in an unsuitable emotive manner, but that doesn't change the fact that they were valid.
 

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And why shouldn't British journalists be allowed to write stories on SA?...

Many of the points in the article by Peter Hitchens were valid.. they may have been dealt with in an unsuitable emotive manner, but that doesn't change the fact that they were valid.


@Pooky sorry but you see that bit where TB is asking about British Journalists not being allowed to write stories in SA?.....I hope that's not what you want....If it is... Mugabe=Zims=BBC banned....can you see where Im going with this comparison. Surely you don't want that do you?
 
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