UN diplomat dodges NYC rape rap thanks to diplomatic immunity: cops

[Grant]

Yes there is in cases like this where a rapist is allowed to walk free at all because of his immunity.


Clearly

There are thousands of diplomats all over the world - these instances are rare.
It's not a case of him walking free, the police were simply unable to detain him at the time - this is little different to an accused being granted bail.
The State Dept is not going to simply let this go.
If his country refuses to cooperate, they can be assured of all manner of repercussions

 

[Grant]

Diplomatic immunity is a very elastic "Get out of jail" card and I recall some Saudi or other royalty getting off scot free after various crimes.
In another case in UK, the wife of an American diplomat killed a young cyclist in a hit & run and, although not having immunity, was spirited out of the country by embassy staff.

This woman?
Family of the diplomat have immunity.

Family members forming part of the household
of diplomatic agents enjoy precisely the same
privileges and immunities as do the sponsoring
diplomatic agents

The US citizen Anne Sacoolas is due to face criminal proceedings in the UK, charged with causing the death by dangerous driving of the 19-year-old motorcyclist Harry Dunn.
The 44-year-old is accused of killing the teenager in a road crash outside the US military base RAF Croughton in Northamptonshire on 27 August 2019.

 

[wbot]

There are thousands of diplomats all over the world - these instances are rare.
It's not a case of him walking free, the police were simply unable to detain him at the time - this is little different to an accused being granted bail.
The State Dept is not going to simply let this go.
If his country refuses to cooperate, they can be assured of all manner of repercussions

You're not gonna change my mind. A rapist was let go because of his immunity which should never have been the case.

 

[wbot]

UN diplomat accused of raping NYC neighbor fled to South Sudan after dodging charges

The South Sudanese envoy accused of raping his Manhattan neighbor earlier this week fled to his homeland after dodging charges in the city, officials confirmed.

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[mojoman]

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[Grant]

You're not gonna change my mind. A rapist was let go because of his immunity which should never have been the case.

I'm not interested in changing your mind - I'm simply stating how these things work.

 

[Deleted member]

I think they just found oil in South Sudan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

 

[wbot]

I'm not interested in changing your mind - I'm simply stating how these things work.

Just my opinion that diplomatic immunity should never count for savage criminals.

 

[hopeless_sapien]

You're not gonna change my mind. A rapist was let go because of his immunity which should never have been the case.

Accused of rape. Suspicion of rape.

Does not equal rape.

But yeah, a thorough investigation must be done.

 

[Cray]

Just my opinion that diplomatic immunity should never count for savage criminals.

The reason diplomatic immunity exists is to prevent spurious prosecution's in an attempt to sway a country's diplomacy. Sure, crimes should be punished but if the home country feels that their diplomats are being unfairly targeted it opens up avenue for retaliation against the other countries diplomats by the country that feels aggrieved.

Giving a visiting diplomat immunity is more about protecting your own country's diplomats who would have similar protections abroad. No one wants rapists to get away with their crimes but also its not inconceivable that false allegations could be made in order to put pressure on the home country.

 

[ForceFate]

You're not gonna change my mind. A rapist was let go because of his immunity which should never have been the case.

A killer was let go in the UK. She left on the next available USAF flight out of the country within a day of causing an accident that killed a teenager.

 

[Grant]

Just my opinion that diplomatic immunity should never count for savage criminals.

Unfortunately there are dishonest opportunists everywhere, in every profession.
One of the underlying reasons for diplomatic immunity is varying laws (sometimes underpinned by cultural or religious norms) from country to country. Those laws in the host country may not be compatible with those of the sending country - death penalty could be an example, or having one's hand chopped off if guilty of theft.

The system generally works well, but it is largely dependent on the integrity of individuals.
The State Dept policy is that the safety and security of their citizens should never play 2nd fiddle to a visiting foreign national enjoying immunity.

There is going to be a schit storm over this incident. Either the fleeing diplomat will face the consequences of his actions, or his govt will.
I doubt his govt would want to risk potential funding being throttled for the sake of a rapist that humiliated the country as a representative to the UN.

 

[ponder]

This woman?
Family of the diplomat have immunity.

Family members forming part of the household
of diplomatic agents enjoy precisely the same
privileges and immunities as do the sponsoring
diplomatic agents

She refuses to return to the UK for the criminal trial and the us gov has refused to extradite her, she will most likely be tried in absentia and escape whatever sentence is handed down.

 

[Grant]

She refuses to return to the UK for the criminal trial and the us gov has refused to extradite her, she will most likely be tried in absentia and escape whatever sentence is handed down.

I've always been of the opinion if someone flees after a criminal incident - well, they are covered by immunity while in the host nation.
However, criminal prosecution should then proceed in the home nation led by prosecutors of the host nation where the incident occurred.

 

[ponder]

However, criminal prosecution should then proceed in the home nation led by prosecutors of the host nation where the incident occurred.

That ain't gonna happen either. There was a civil trial though that was settled, the judge was quite scathing wrt her claiming she accepts full responsibility.

 

[ponder]

She refuses to return to the UK for the criminal trial and the us gov has refused to extradite her, she will most likely be tried in absentia and escape whatever sentence is handed down.

US citizen Anne Sacoolas pleads guilty to causing Harry Dunn's death | CNN

Anne Sacoolas, the American woman accused of killing 19-year-old British motorcyclist Harry Dunn in a traffic accident near a US military base, pleaded guilty to causing his death on Thursday, CNN heard via an audio link of the court proceedings.

edition.cnn.com

 

[Flanders]

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"Deeplometic immunitee"