UN Says Climate Genocide Is Coming. It’s Actually Worse Than That.

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rietrot said:
Firstly your example is wrong because that's a government project. If government cared their would be less deaths in their projects and they would be the shinny example of health and safety, which they're not.
Secondly people should be grown up enough to take responsibility for themselves and not do reckless stuff that would get them killed, you don't need government regulations for that.
Thirdly an accident is an accident learn from it and move on. I'm all for education telling people not to be stupid with heavy machinery, but no government intervention is necessary for that.
Any argument for regulations to nanny and protect people against themselves rest solely on the idea the people are too stupid to function without central control telling them what is acceptable. Then you have to make a case that that centralised authority actually know better than the average person about what is best for them, which eventually leads to communism if you take it all the way, basically the opposite of free market and private property. The government knows best and everyone works for the greater good. That line of reasoning has proven to be murderous in the past. It is also nonsense that you can only implement the good part of that and not take it all the way. The bureaucracy will eventually grow out of control and corrupt like we see here by us.
The only argument you can make for the need of government and agents the free market is one of funding for big projects, because the government can tax it's populace which a private enterprise cant do. But even that falls flat as there are ways around that and governments has proven themselves inefficient.
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Yup!
 
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NarrowBandFtw said:
But hey I suppose it is much easier to just attack a source, even if he isn't the source in this case ...
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And yet you consistently due the same in the Skripal poison thread.... "Bellingcat is a blogger with a grudge, BBC can't be trusted because they are government funded..." Consistency isn't your strong point is it?

And If I really wanted to attack the source I could have mentioned the felonies he was convicted of...
 
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Simply put. Most of humanity, if not all, will rather perish due to intollerence preventing cooperation and leading to war instead of any climate change.
 
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Cray said:
And yet you consistently due the same in the Skripal poison thread.... "Bellingcat is a blogger with a grudge, BBC can't be trusted because they are government funded..." Consistency isn't your strong point is it?
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In that thread I'm calling for balance, not that you'd admit it here I guess. Every single RT or similar post gets given the same treatment, only for the very same people to spam bellingcat and BBC links ... it goes both ways.

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And If I really wanted to attack the source I could have mentioned the felonies he was convicted of...
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You could have, but then you'd need to ignore that it was trumped up charges (no pun intended).
 
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Plants lives off carbon dioxide. What are the effects of deforestation on the carbon dioxide levels?
 
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Nod said:
Plants lives off carbon dioxide. What are the effects of deforestation on the carbon dioxide levels?
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I would say negligible as we have made barely a dent overall. Most of our oxygen comes from the ocean anyway.
 
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rietrot said:
Firstly your example is wrong because that's a government project. If government cared their would be less deaths in their projects and they would be the shinny example of health and safety, which they're not.
Secondly people should be grown up enough to take responsibility for themselves and not do reckless stuff that would get them killed, you don't need government regulations for that.
Thirdly an accident is an accident learn from it and move on. I'm all for education telling people not to be stupid with heavy machinery, but no government intervention is necessary for that.
Any argument for regulations to nanny and protect people against themselves rest solely on the idea the people are too stupid to function without central control telling them what is acceptable. Then you have to make a case that that centralised authority actually know better than the average person about what is best for them, which eventually leads to communism if you take it all the way, basically the opposite of free market and private property. The government knows best and everyone works for the greater good. That line of reasoning has proven to be murderous in the past. It is also nonsense that you can only implement the good part of that and not take it all the way. The bureaucracy will eventually grow out of control and corrupt like we see here by us.
The only argument you can make for the need of government and agents the free market is one of funding for big projects, because the government can tax it's populace which a private enterprise cant do. But even that falls flat as there are ways around that and governments has proven themselves inefficient.
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Firstly construction companies are private entities that do work for private companies as well.

Who do you think paid for Discovery's headquarters to be built? Did the government build all of the security estate houses and golf estates?

Government procurement rules have set forth requirements for Health and Safety, detailing criteria that the bidder needs to meet, for example its LTIFR. Private clients have been very slow to set out similar rules. The housing industry are even further behind.

The mindset that an accident is an accident is exactly the mindset that resulted in unnecessary deaths. Many types accidents have now been eliminated by basic items like machine guarding all due to a shift prompted by legislation that required companies to think about Health and Safety.
 
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buka001 said:
Firstly construction companies are private entities that do work for private companies as well.

Who do you think paid for Discovery's headquarters to be built? Did the government build all of the security estate houses and golf estates?

Government procurement rules have set forth requirements for Health and Safety, detailing criteria that the bidder needs to meet, for example its LTIFR. Private clients have been very slow to set out similar rules. The housing industry are even further behind.

The mindset that an accident is an accident is exactly the mindset that resulted in unnecessary deaths. Many types accidents have now been eliminated by basic items like machine guarding all due to a shift prompted by legislation that required companies to think about Health and Safety.
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And where do you think this legislation came from? Government didn't just pull it out of a hat one day but had massive input from industry best practices over decades. Many people used to lose their lives due to dynamite mining. It wasn't that mines were just chasing profits and didn't care but it was an inherently dangerous job that someone had to do, and they were handsomely rewarded. The industrial revolution came when humanity wasn't ready for it and it took us by surprise how dangerous machines could be. With time we learned and also learned what safety precautions to implement but it wasn't just something we knew from the start.
 
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Arthur said:
It really is worth a read. You might have to do it slowly, or you'll miss the point, as you did mine.
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Jesus Christ.
How quaint.

Thanks but I won't be wasting my time with something that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Now excuse me, I need to charge my communist cellphone while continuing work on my Vegan socialist laptop... I have some catchup to do since I lost some time this morning due to my smartphone using time dilation calculations from a Buddhist GPS satellite assembled my two feminists and a CIS male and a guy bribed by DARPA to change the laws of thermodynamics in order to "teach them buddhists a thing or two".
 

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NarrowBandFtw said:
You could have, but then you'd need to ignore that it was trumped up charges (no pun intended).
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Right, and you believe that do you? I especially like his claim that his computer achieved self awareness and then self destructed... o_O

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/uncategorized/self-aware-artificial-intelligence/

QUESTION: You are a legend in programming that you seem not to be aware of. The debate has been did your computer achieve self-consciousness?

ANSWER: No. It achieved self-awareness. It immediately knew the government was trying to take it to its secret computer lab in WTC building 7 that mysterious collapsed even though nothing struck the building. They were angry when they realized it had self-destructed. It was aware of its surroundings and it took all but 7 seconds to self-destruct overwriting all code 7 times and shifting around so they could never un-erase and put him back together again.
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rietrot said:
Nobody claims that we don't.
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Nah rather, the world is on fire and we just keep throwing on more petrol....

I'd like to say I'd love to see the look on your face when proved you're proven wrong, but really I wouldn't wish that on anyone and we'll all be suffering.
 
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Eniigma said:
Nah rather, the world is on fire and we just keep throwing on more petrol....

I'd like to say I'd love to see the look on your face when proved you're proven wrong, but really I wouldn't wish that on anyone and we'll all be suffering.
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Are you a vegetarian, subsidence farmer?
Do you own a petrol car?
 
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