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Unarmed South Florida man with hands up shot by police while calming autistic patient

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[video=youtube;7zIYzSN3jGM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zIYzSN3jGM[/video]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...man-hands-shot-police-video-article-1.2719331

An unarmed Miami-area man trying to calm his autistic patient was shot in the leg by police even though he had his hands up, he said Wednesday.

Police in North Miami, Fla., told WSVN-TV officers responded Monday to a 911 call reporting a man with a gun threatening to commit suicide. Yet Charles Kinsey, a behavioral therapist, told the TV station the witness and later the police may have mistook the autistic man’s toy truck for a gun.

The patient had run away from a group home in the Miami suburb. Cellphone video showed Kinsey lying on the ground and trying to calm the patient even as officers pointed their guns at them.
He should've tried not being black.
 

Cray

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Called to the scene because someone was suicidal...

Police in North Miami, Fla., told WSVN-TV officers responded Monday to a 911 call reporting a man with a gun threatening to commit suicide
End up shooting someone....:confused:
 

Honey Badger

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“I was really more worried about him than myself, because as long as I’ve got my hands up, they’re not going to shoot me,” Kinsey said. “This is what I’m thinking, ‘They’re not going to shoot me.’ Wow, was I wrong.”
:wtf:
They should charge the cop with attempted murder
 

Mach III

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[video=youtube;7zIYzSN3jGM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zIYzSN3jGM[/video]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/cri...man-hands-shot-police-video-article-1.2719331



He should've tried not being black.
The problem is these police officers are inculcated and conditioned into believing that they are robocop; and alienating all the other citizens from themselves. It's like they're playing video games or they're in a movie, while the other people are just living life.

Quite a f up... 'Murica.
 

ISP cash cow

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Not even the suicidal guy with the alleged gun.
yeah that was the WTF moment for me. Why shoot the guy lying down with his hands above his head instead of the "guy with the "toy truck", :wtf:

the states police officers are really turning in to the keystone cops
 
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The problem is these police officers are inculcated and conditioned into believing that they are robocop; and alienating all the other citizens from themselves. It's like they're playing video games or they're in a movie, while the other people are just living life.

Quite a f up... 'Murica.
Nah, more a case of them getting killed every day. Got to look out for yourself because everyone else is BLM.
 

Mach III

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Nah, more a case of them getting killed every day. Got to look out for yourself because everyone else is BLM.
Yeah you're right. A behavioral psychologist and a autistic person with a toy truck are sooo scary. Did I mention monsters in the cupboard. Yikes. I just shat myself.

I can imagine you believe in the same fantasies as the police officers. Too much GTA-syndrome.

Quite simply, these police officers are not interpreting reality clearly. It's like taking a pitbull from the fighting pits straight to dog park to play with the other dogs.
 
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Unhappy438

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Nah, more a case of them getting killed every day. Got to look out for yourself because everyone else is BLM.
Who is getting killed every day? Certainly not the cops and when you consider the total amount of police officers through out the states, the death rate is quite low.
 

OrbitalDawn

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http://www.nber.org/papers/w22399

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/u...police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html

It's only a single study, but it was led by a black professor from Harvard, so it does carry some weight. Also, at least it is SOME data, not just emotion and anecdote.
Hold your horses there...

http://www.snopes.com/2016/07/15/harvard-study-officer-involved-shootings/

As both outlets noted, Fryer's findings weren't necessarily misleading, incorrect, or wrong, but there were numerous obvious problems with the bombastic manner in which the New York Times framed his paper (for starters). Fryer's paper was neither published nor peer-reviewed, and it was certainly not a "Harvard study." (A similar controversy erupted over a "Harvard study" on of gun rights was found to be a paper penned by supporters of that issue.)

Critics noted that Fryer's sample size was exceedingly small (possibly skewing the results) and relied on the narratives of policemen and women party to officer-involved shootings. Moreover, Fryer's background in economics was certainly useful for crunching data, but it lacked the scope and working knowledge present in criminologists and researchers in related fields. The paper is still a work in progress and hasn't been fully vetted, but even in its "working" state it has been the target of multiple assessments indicating that its findings are far from complete.
http://www.vox.com/2016/7/11/12148452/police-shootings-racism-study

But diving deeper into the study, those conclusions are based on some fairly shaky ground. Specifically, the data the study uses only looks at racial biases after a police officer engages with a suspect. That excludes a key driver of racial biases in policing: that police are more likely to stop black people in the first place, producing far more situations in which someone is likely to be shot. The study also looks at a fairly limited number of police departments, meaning its findings may not apply nationwide.
Couple more important things mentioned in the articles, including numerous larger, more specific studies that contradict it.

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/11/12149468/racism-police-shootings-data

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liber...d-shows-profound-amount-racism-policenot-less
 

Cray

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http://www.nber.org/papers/w22399

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/12/u...police-use-of-force-but-not-in-shootings.html

It's only a single study, but it was led by a black professor from Harvard, so it does carry some weight. Also, at least it is SOME data, not just emotion and anecdote.
Not even a study...

http://www.snopes.com/2016/07/15/harvard-study-officer-involved-shootings/

The New York Times inaccurately reported an unvetted working paper as a Harvard study that disproved the claim black people are shot by police at a higher rate than whites

That paper [PDF] began with disclosures that it was funded anonymously and (more important, had not yet been subject to peer review due to its status as a "working paper":

Although the difference might have seemed semantic in nature, the imprecise wording of the Times' original piece led a great many readers and news outlets to believe the research was peer-reviewed and published rather than being a work-in-progress unpublished by any scientific journal. It isn't clear whether, absent the rigor applied to actual studies, Fryer's findings will ultimately pass a review by peers or achieve published status. There is yet no indication Fryer's work was necessarily sloppy, but neither has the typical oversight of a genuine study been applied to his working paper. In short, aside from the pedigree of an author who is also a Harvard economics professor, Fryer's paper as it stands now isn't much different in stature than any other article published online

Methodology was a matter of dispute when it came to the paper and its findings: investigative journalist and law enforcement expert Radley Balko published a critical editorial in the Washington Post about the working paper, noting that core data may have been weighted to favor officer perspectives. Balko highlighted cues he spotted in the paper that suggested its findings may have been rooted in shaky reports:

I think of the Kathryn Johnston case, in which the police invented an informant and lied on a search warrant affidavit before breaking down the 92-year-old woman’s door. She was innocent. When she met them with the broken old revolver she used to scare off intruders, they shot and killed her. In the police report, she was an armed suspect who threatened them with a gun.
Edit - Too quick OD :p
 

Loumina

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Why did you shoot me sir? I don't know...
Maybe he meant "Simply because you are black"?
 
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OrbitalDawn

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Who is getting killed every day? Certainly not the cops and when you consider the total amount of police officers through out the states, the death rate is quite low.
And they've never been safer, in terms of fatalities. Tough when facts get in the way of feels.
 
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