#UnrestSA: Retrieved goods must be destroyed for the sake of the economy, says Ntshavheni

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(1)Yes. It's the role of the police. We are talking about when that is done. Not the small business minister job.
(2)vague nonsense.
(3) no, you are seeing government overreach, by some useless cadre, outside of his department.
(2) :ROFL: That vague nonsense is called VAT revenue.
 

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I , firstly don't believe that it'll all get destroyed as a fair amount will be expropriated for the 2nd time.

Secondly, only after Sasria has settled the claims does the goods belong to them.

Thirdly this is all evidence but obviously the primary school teachers think differently.
Definitely the police could be about as trusted with this stuff as they can be trusted with state and public firearms. Also people should settle down. This is today's policy. Tomorrow is another day of missed context, confusion and twin engined contradictions :ROFL:
 

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Definitely the police could be about as trusted with this stuff as they can be trusted with state and public firearms. Also people should settle down. This is today's policy. Tomorrow is another day of missed context, confusion and twin engined contradictions :ROFL:
Aren’t police responsible for evidence in a theft case?
 

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Serial numbers....

I think he means going thru an entire house and getting every serial number of every device/asset and sending it off for investigation. If they haven't been defaced to hide guilt.

Times that by thousands.
 

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Odd how people equate modern capitalism with capitalism as a whole even though keynes has been proven to have been incorrect in many ways.... everyone exploiting his system is personally getting too rich to want to throw it out for something superior even though it cannot be maintained forever.
Capitalism, like socialism, is not a well-defined term or at least any definition is very broad. But really we should be moving away from such simplistic labels.

Things have always tended to trend the way they are now, and those benefitting, or hoping to benefit, will steadfastly fight against any attempts to apply corrections.
 

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I think he means going thru an entire house and getting every serial number of every device/asset and sending it off for investigation. If they haven't been defaced to hide guilt.

Times that by thousands.
Isn't the police forensic, cataloguing and auditing system still awol?
 

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I think he means going thru an entire house and getting every serial number of every device/asset and sending it off for investigation. If they haven't been defaced to hide guilt.

Times that by thousands.
Soooo...then what will be collected and destroyed?
 

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Capitalism, like socialism, is not a well-defined term or at least any definition is very broad. But really we should be moving away from such simplistic labels.

Things have always tended to trend the way they are now, and those benefitting, or hoping to benefit, will steadfastly fight against any attempts to apply corrections.
Those corrections are going so well thus far for so many collecting a salary from the SAPS socialist employment scheme. Not so well for the capitalist economy that burnt while waiting for the police to show up :ROFL:
 

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Why do lazy people always love a failed system that pays you to do nothing? A bureaucratic Soviet wet dream that has always proven unsustainable and ends in failure.
 

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Your ass must be killing you...from sitting on that fence the whole day.
/Shrug

Wide fence so no.

Edit: It's not sitting on the fence. I do not agree with destroying the goods as some can be donated to orphanages, old-age homes, etc. Despite my opinions, I do understand their position as government as well as that of big business. You call it fence sitting?
 
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The assumption (at least from me) would be that they're buying them precisely because they're cheap... but that brings up a more long tailed impact to the retail market. I may not necessarily want to buy a nice new fridge at this point, but a cheap one pops up in the salvage sales and I do so... I'm then out of the retail chain for a new fridge for a good long while when in the normal flow of things I may have bought a new fridge in a year or twos time.

(just using the fridge as an example mostly as the logic applies to any expensive appliance really)
Also... its only really going to be big ticket items that are resalable.
 

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the line being referenced to support the view on communism originally came from an arguably capitalist economist.
I think definitionally Keynes (a fellow cantaber) is a 3rd way economist not a capitalist/communist...

So... Life not quite as black and white.

In short Keynes said - worth being a communist when aggregate demand falters... He just loved spending other people's money... Some of the time.
 
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I don't necessarily agree with them here but I see their point.
I definitely see their point when it comes to booze, taxed at the time of manufacture (as we saw with the CovID lock down issues).

It also occurs to me there are markets where the legit goods will never be bought and forever be deprived of it.
 
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