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Jirre man, wassamatter with you? Stand in dogshit? Gives me a CA tax assessment lesson when I'm discussing squatter camps and how hot they get.
Oh, you seemed to be discussing tax rates too, or have you forgotten about that?As someone who professes to only deal in facts, I thought you might appreciate some.
 
Correct. Would a slum such as The Bronx be classified as a squatter camp? Do you see why you can't use slums to indicate how many people live in squatter camps in SA?



It's not up to me to disprove your claim. The onus is upon you to prove your claim.

What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. - Hitchens

there you go $4,800,000 for a house in the Bronx...

sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/bronx-ny-usa

and by your assertion you've just agreed that South Africa has now almost no squatter camps and only slums.. therefor as slums go per % of population, South Africa has a very low slum rate
 
Now tell us the percentage of people living in Shanty towns in those countries versus South Africa?

Brasil alone has the same amount of people living in shanty towns than the whole of the SA population, lets not even get to India, Pakistan.

It's stuff like this I can't stand and where my sympathy goes to die.

Sure, you're poor, I get it... but how about cleaning up that "paving" line a bit, pull out the bossies, remove some rubble or repurpose it (use it to reinforce the channels/walls of all those streams of water and sh*t that's always flowing down the road and carving canyons into the soil), straighten those poles.. make a little pit in the corner next to where you're sitting and plant an indigenous sapling or two and take care of them. There are plenty of mud hut villages in KZN that look amazing because the people who live there care about what little they own, it 's really not that hard.

Hell, you can even dump pee on the damn trees periodically if you really need to, put some wood ash on it too now and again to balance the pH. Seeing something you nurture grow is so hugely beneficial to ones mindset and environment that even rich people do it all the time.
But no, let's just sit there, fed but defeated, holding up an umbrella all day and reminisce about how government is letting you down.

Half the youth in this country is unemployed. That's millions and millions of idle manpower just sitting around not being utilized because, excuses. Any Afrikaner etc. knows this, if you were in your early 20's just sitting around your parents house without working a job you'd be working your ass of doing jobs your dad would be handing out on a daily basis. At least, that's how things work where I come from.

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Agreed, it's a sin to sit on one's hands around absolutely nothing the whole entire day, looks like there is a lot of work that can be done. On the flip-side, look like they thought of best possible repurposing of a old bed.

It's just sad
 
just out of interest have you ever travelled outside of South Africa? I'm kinda lost here... are you implying that South Africa has the highest "shanty town" rates in the world?

I wanted to ask the same question, but chose not to
 
there you go $4,800,000 for a house in the Bronx...

sothebysrealty.com/eng/sales/bronx-ny-usa

and by your assertion you've just agreed that South Africa has now almost no squatter camps and only slums.. therefor as slums go per % of population, South Africa has a very low slum rate

I may be a bit dated and The Bronx may have been gentrified. It was a slum 40 years ago when Isaac Hayes' movie Escape from New York was made there.

Camden NJ is referenced as a slum:


Brasil alone has the same amount of people living in shanty towns than the whole of the SA population, lets not even get to India, Pakistan.

Nobody seems to read my posts correctly. I asked what percentage of people in SA live in shanty's compared to other countries. With almost half the people in SA on Grants and almost half unemployed, I suspect SA is worse than anywhere else. Consider SA has one of the worst GINI Coefficients in the world as well.

I wanted to ask the same question, but chose not to

I answered. I have lived and worked in over 20 countries, including several in Africa.
 
Nobody seems to read my posts correctly. I asked what percentage of people in SA live in shanty's compared to other countries. With almost half the people in SA on Grants and almost half unemployed, I suspect SA is worse than anywhere else. Consider SA has one of the worst GINI Coefficients in the world as well.

It's hard to tell, the Gini Coefficient is not based on how may people live in shantytowns. The first thing you have to realise that there is a difference between a shanty town and a "township" which are proclaimed, plotted and serviced. The erv improvements are in line with codes etc etc whereas a shantytown would be a place where anything goes, for the really bottom -of-the-barrel poor. Take any map and look at look at the size and amount of shantytowns relative to the the city factor in density and it would be a very very miniscule amount I know it to be true in Pretoria. There is only 1 proper shantytown in Pretoria near Sunderland, about 40ha in extent, compare that to well over 1million hectres with is Pretoria. Then of ofcourse you get the Durban type/camp style shantytowns of 1000-3000sqm around the city they could be 50-100 of those so they make up about 15hectres citywide. I think since we see so many shocking shantytowns popping up street to major roads/highways we with think that's the majority but an aerial view view give you a more accurate indication.

That's your answer. JHB and DRN I think they have about (800 shantytowns DRN alone)are way worse. EL, PE, CPT pretty much the same as Pretoria.

The amount of people living in shantytowns in SA is far less than any country in Africa, better than India or Pakistan where the majority lives in shantytowns, similar to South East Asia, much better than Brasil, on par with the narco states. Thats the developing world.

I answered. I have lived and worked in over 20 countries, including several in Africa.

Not necessary for me to ask. But you should travel more around the country
 
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It's hard to tell, the Gini Coefficient is not based on how may people live in shantytowns. The first thing you have to realise that there is a difference between a shanty town and a "township" which are proclaimed, plotted and serviced.

Correct. Shanty towns (I call them Squatter camps) contain many more people per square kilometre than townships and cities. Therefore judging them on the area occupied alone is not going to give you the true size of the camp.

The amount of people living in shantytowns in SA is far less than any country in Africa, better than India or Pakistan where the majority lives in shantytowns, similar to South East Asia, much better than Brasil, on par with the narco states. Thats the developing world.

Correct. My argument was the percentage of the population living in these conditions per country.

Not necessary for me to ask. But you should travel more around the country

I have been doing that for over 40 years. Places unvisited by me are few and far between in South Africa, Namibia and Botswana. Even 4x4 only areas in the last two.
 
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