US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war - PART 2

[The Trutherizer]

Sleeper agents in liberal disguise...you go Poland!

Did you hear everybody?? Russia is "liberal".

Liberalism: Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed and equality before the law

(maybe the next line is the trick)

Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but they generally support individual rights (including civil rights and human rights), liberal democracy, secularism, rule of law, economic and political freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of religion, private property and a market economy.

(nope... nope... Maybe the next bit...)

Liberalism became a distinct movement in the Age of Enlightenment, gaining popularity among Western philosophers and economists. Liberalism sought to replace the norms of hereditary privilege, state religion, absolute monarchy, the divine right of kings and traditional conservatism with representative democracy and the rule of law. Liberals also ended mercantilist policies, royal monopolies and other barriers to trade, instead promoting free trade and marketization.

(still not... maybe the Republican take)

Make me roads without taxes you commies! More police violence, just not more taxes to pay for police! And by gawd give me moar gunzors!

(seems unlikely...)

Where were we again?

 

[rambo919]

Maybe restructure whatever you tried to post so that it makes any kind of sense?

Makes perfect sense..... before that date no one seemed to morally object so strongly to this kind of thing unless I missed such a bombing after?

 

[IndigoIdentity]

Take a read through this from MSF of Chechnya in 1996.

Sound familiar?

https://www.doctorswithoutborders.o...ns-targeted-humanitarian-law-flouted-chechnya

And then for more detail read through this.

They cite multiple times the Russians bombed hospitals in Chechnya

https://www.msf.org/sites/msf.org/files/2019-04/MSF%20Speaking%20Out%20Chechnya%201994-2004.pdf

Painful to read...

 

[Unhappy438]

They should also have Starstreak by now.

Probably about another week before that gets into their hands.

 

[rambo919]

Taking one example from 1945

"Then they came to me and they said, 'Do you want the town of Cleves taken out?' By 'taken out' they meant the whole of the heavy bombers putting on to Cleves. Now, I knew that Cleves was a very fine old historical German town. Anne of Cleves, one of Henry VIII's wives, came from there. I knew that there were a lot of civilians in Cleves, men, women and children. If I said no, they would live. If I said yes, they would die. A terrible decision you’ve got to take. But... everything depended on getting a high piece of ground at Materborn. The German reserves would have to come through Cleves, and we would have to breach the Siegfried Line and get there. And your own lives, your own troops, must come first, so I said yes, I did want it taken out. But when all those bombers went over, the night just before zero hour, to take out Cleves, I felt a murderer. And after the war I had an awful lot of nightmares, but always Cleves."[6]

Now.... if the man in charge of bombing Cleves was Putin.... would the exact same bombing for the exact same reasons be excused or unilaterally condemned?

Keep in mind this is a whole town not just a few buildings.

 

[DJ Yoda]

Just as Cape town is a made up name, isn't it?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1120407477659553792

Can we stop using the Nazi propaganda newspaper ?
You guys, can you find a better source than a Nazi/Nazi sympathizer ?
Works for the Kyiv independent.
Made up name for Kiev.

 

[daveza]

Taking one example from 1945


Now.... if the man in charge of bombing Cleves was Putin.... would the exact same bombing for the exact same reasons be excused or unilaterally condemned?

Keep in mind this is a whole town not just a few buildings.

It wasn't right in 1945, and it would not be right now.

I can't believe in the 21st Century, men are still fighting their battles by killing women and children.

 

[Dave]

Probably about another week before that gets into their hands.

I think they were flown out of the UK earlier this week, they should be in Ukraine by now.

 

[Dave]

Ukrainians like their new donated toys

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1502341442328530946

 

[Mirai]

It wasn't right in 1945, and it would not be right now.

Many things weren't right. The Red Army raped millions of German, Polish, Czech, etc women it liberated, too. Many were raped to death and many others committed suicide.

 

[flytek]

Did you hear everybody?? Russia is "liberal".


(maybe the next line is the trick)

(nope... nope... Maybe the next bit...)

(still not... maybe the Republican take)

(seems unlikely...)

Where were we again?

Dimwits missing the joke...its the liberal Russians running for poland if its not just twitter 'fact'...

 

[DJ Yoda]

Link?

Стрелков признал ответственность за военные действия на Украине

Бывший командующий ополчением Донбасса Игорь Стрелков признал ответственность за начало военного конфликта на востоке Украины. «Спусковой крючок войны все-таки нажал я. Если бы наш отряд не перешел границу, в итоге все бы кончилось, как в Харькове, как в Одессе», — заявил он.

lenta.ru

 

[Dave]

More donated stuff in use

Now tanks are in service not only with tank units, but also with infantry of the 93rd Cold Yar Brigade.
Enemy crews in a panic under fire from Ukrainian defenders threw completely new equipment. Now it is occupied by infantry and already uses enemy equipment against its former owners.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1502327465208950788

 

[The Trutherizer]

Painful to read...

Georgia is maybe even worse. (Native Georgians)
Much the same in Crimea. (Native Tatars)

Common themes. Same bad actors.

 

[tetrasect]

youtube, the bastion of free speech
View attachment 1267452

What?

 

[Dave]

The audio in the T-80 video

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1502331596183068677

 

[DJ Yoda]

Lolol
Freaking hell, are you trolling or for real?
You don't know the difference between giving the permission/right and giving the order?

Guys the civilians used as human shields narrative IS old news.
There are no more civilians in Ukraine.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1501651655128985610

Thanks Zelensky.

 

[rambo919]

It wasn't right in 1945, and it would not be right now.

There was absolutely no public outcry over it..... that's the point.

I can't believe in the 21st Century, men are still fighting their battles by killing women and children.

If you can do it better go and do it better. Display for us how the human race as evolved so much.

 

[Fulcrum29]

A bit confused with that bold part, if I understand that part, you're referring to troops which are currently outside of Ukraine and will at some point move into Ukraine?

Russia has five military districts,

1) Western
2) Central
3) Eastern
4) Southern, and
5) Northern

Each with their own leadership structure and command. These districts make up their armies, involving direct reporting units and formations. It is very expansive.

It has been reported for a long time now that Russia has a shortage of troops for participation in their armed forced, hence recruiting foreign units and or legions for supplementing them, it doesn't take way that,

Factbox: How Ukraine's armed forces shape up against Russia's

Ukraine's armed forces are heavily outnumbered and outgunned by Russia's, but as Russia begins what may be a large-scale invasion, military experts say they would be capable of mounting significant resistance and inflicting heavy casualties.

www.reuters.com

Russia's army has about 280,000 personnel and its combined armed forces total about 900,000, while its 2,840 battle tanks outnumber Ukraine's by more than three to one, according to the London-based International Institute for Strategic Studies (IISS).

That is the same rough estimate of reservists Ukraine has. Assume Russia has only committed 190 000 troops to Ukraine of which a lot are conscripts which could be due to a varying degree of reasons, then their army is still rather huge. Either their shortages are a bigger issue than known or they aren't committing the full strength of their armed forces because of the particulars of their mission in Ukraine, which isn't known to us. What we do know is that they are recruiting more foreign units and or legions, but they have always done this and isn't out of the ordinary.

It could very well be that Russia's army is bankrupt. Just remember, Russia's first objective would be to protect it own sovereignty, and would hence not commit its defence to the offensive.

I am also very sure that they could already be amassing a second stage, not for invading per se, tallying higher numbers to the offensive, but for momentum, troop rotation, refreshments, etc.

 

[buka001]

More green screen of bombed out cities in Ukraine that Russia wants you to believe is all fake.

In the Rubble of Kharkiv, Survivors Make Their Stand: ‘It’s a War, and It’s a Dirty War’

Russian missiles struck apartments, museums and libraries in Ukraine’s second-largest city, once tilted toward Moscow, leaving residents to tend to the wounded and brace for what comes next.

www.wsj.com