US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war - PART 2

[rambo919]

Many things weren't right. The Red Army raped millions of German, Polish, Czech, etc women it liberated, too. Many were raped to death and many others committed suicide.

So did the Germans.... they saw it as tit for tat at the time.

Though the Russians could be very polite about the raping.

 

[Unhappy438]

As previously said, the Russians still have nine rather large armies which hasn't, yet, invaded Ukraine, ignoring their Black Sea Fleet.

Just FYI these are not really active combat troops. Alot of reservists and conscripts. All of whom are poorly equipped. They haven't got very many active combat troops to send without pulling off borders and contested areas.

They are already stretched and that move would stretch them further.

 

[IndigoIdentity]

Georgia is maybe even worse. (Native Georgians)
Much the same in Crimea. (Native Tatars)

Common themes. Same bad actors.

I'll be honest in saying that I do not know very much about what had happened to the Tartars in Crimea. I guess it is back to the history lessons for me. If I am not back to tomorrow, I appreciate you all for all of your input, you have genuinely left me with a paradigm shift.

 

[Dave]

Has this been reported? Another Russian high ranking officer killed.

Translation:
The Russian occupiers continue to lose their officers in the war against Ukraine. The Armed Forces managed to eliminate Major General Andriy Kolesnikov, the commander of the Eastern Military District.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1502294425992585225

 

[Cray]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1120407477659553792

Can we stop using the Nazi propaganda newspaper ?
You guys, can you find a better source than a Nazi/Nazi sympathizer ?
Works for the Kyiv independent.
Made up name for Kiev.

Every place name, ever, was made up..

 

[Mirai]

There was absolutely no public outcry over it..... that's the point.

What public outcry? From whom?

Do you know that Europe and Asia were destroyed by war?

Americans also lost a lot of people.

Who was going to "cry out"?

Especially when our Russian friends soon started a cold war of their own.

Rambo obviously knows nothing about history.

As for outcry - there were 10s of millions of dead civilians. There were plans to actually level Germany and make her an agricultural country too. Not kill anyone but people were furious.

You lose members of your family and then you see how much outcry you will have for some town somewhere.

Whole countries were destroyed. People had to rebuild. Eastern Europe faced Russian repressions and Russians now rounded up the people who fought Nazis and labelled them fascists and killed them.

He wants people to cry out...

 

[rambo919]

What public outcry? From whom?

Do you know that Europe and Asia were destroyed by war?

Americans also lost a lot of people.

Who was going to "cry out"?

Especially when our Russian friends soon started a cold war of their own.

Rambo obviously knows nothing about history.

As for outcry - there were 10s of millions of dead civilians. There were plans to actually level Germany and make her an agricultural country too. Not kill anyone but people were furious.

You lose members of your family and then you see how much outcry you will have for some town somewhere.

Are you always this easily excitable by cold hard facts or just when you go online?

Seems exhausting.

 

[DJ Yoda]

Captured russian "tiger", not the best choice of name, considering the history lol

Ukrainians like their new donated toys

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1502341442328530946

 

[sefeddt]

I was wondering how is it that one rarely sees Ukrainian tanks and equipment bogged down or flipped but mainly Russian, then I remembered watching them on the Worlds Worst Driver Show.

 

[Unhappy438]

I think they were flown out of the UK earlier this week, they should be in Ukraine by now.

Source? I thought they only left yesterday at the earliest.

 

[Mirai]

Are you always this easily excitable by cold hard facts or just when you go online?

Seems exhausting.

You lack facts buddy. Your historical knowldege is on the level of an 8 year old.

How can you be this naive and ignorant?

Don't answer. South African education.

 

[tetrasect]

Russia has five military districts,

1) Western
2) Central
3) Eastern
4) Southern, and
5) Northern

Each with their own leadership structure and command. These districts make up their armies, involving direct reporting units and formations. It is very expansive.

It has been reported for a long time now that Russia has a shortage of troops for participation in their armed forced, hence recruiting foreign units and or legions for supplementing them, it doesn't take way that,

Factbox: How Ukraine's armed forces shape up against Russia's

Ukraine's armed forces are heavily outnumbered and outgunned by Russia's, but as Russia begins what may be a large-scale invasion, military experts say they would be capable of mounting significant resistance and inflicting heavy casualties.

www.reuters.com

That is the same rough estimate of reservists Ukraine has. Assume Russia has only committed 190 000 troops to Ukraine of which a lot are conscripts which could be due to a varying degree of reasons, then their army is still rather huge. Either their shortages are a bigger issue than known or they aren't committing the full strength of their armed forces because of the particulars of their mission in Ukraine, which isn't known to us. What we do know is that they are recruiting more foreign units and or legions, but they have always done this and isn't out of the ordinary.

It could very well be that Russia's army is bankrupt. Just remember, Russia's first objective would be to protect it own sovereignty, and would hence not commit its defence to the offensive.

I am also very sure that they could already be amassing a second stage, not for invading per se, tallying higher numbers to the offensive, but for momentum, troop rotation, refreshments, etc.

Seems like a lot of "might as well put it to use instead of scrapping it" type of equipment coming from Russia...

 

[rambo919]

You lack facts buddy. Your historical knowldege is on the level of an 8 year old.

How can you be this naive and ignorant?

Don't answer. South African education.

Oh I get it... you are a 16jr old girl.

 

[buka001]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1502366285627367426

Russia close to Kyiv center it appears

 

[Vrotappel]

Makes perfect sense..... before that date no one seemed to morally object so strongly to this kind of thing unless I missed such a bombing after?

Well you need to remember the justification for the war...

It does not make much sense when you go all out to slaughter the people you pretend to save.

 

[Mirai]

Oh I get it... you are a 16jr old girl.

How do you know nobody cried out? Did you go over newspaper archives from the time?

How would you know anything?

30% pass mark.

 

[Fulcrum29]

Just FYI these are not really active combat troops. Alot of reservists and conscripts. All of whom are poorly equipped. They haven't got very many active combat troops to send without pulling off borders and contested areas.

They are already stretched and that move would stretch them further.

We don't know the state of how well or not they are equipped, you assume they are poorly equipped. Russia has ~2,000,000 reservists, and an estimate of 1,000,000 active personnel. They have a 1-year conscription, an approximate 400,000 men are drafted for serving in the regular army, annually. Those are a lot of troops, but is small in comparison to their population size.

Yes, they have a lot of territory to protect, but the armies committed to Ukraine are a handful.

 

[Vrotappel]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1502026746903863298

 

[rambo919]

Well you need to remember the justification for the war...

What does that change? The end result is still a whole town being leveled because it happens to be in the way.... whether there happens to be people in it or not.

It does not make much sense when you go all out to slaughter the people you pretend to save.

You mean like Murica used a-bombs to save uhum liberate the Japanese from their government?

But of course a few building bombed, and many probably by mistake, is hardly going all out..... thus far the Russians have not raised any western Ukrainian cities to the ground the way the Allies did Axis cities back then. In comparison they have been using feathers thus far.

 

[The Trutherizer]

Стрелков признал ответственность за военные действия на Украине

Бывший командующий ополчением Донбасса Игорь Стрелков признал ответственность за начало военного конфликта на востоке Украины. «Спусковой крючок войны все-таки нажал я. Если бы наш отряд не перешел границу, в итоге все бы кончилось, как в Харькове, как в Одессе», — заявил он.

lenta.ru

Strelkov acknowledged responsibility for military operations in Ukraine
Igor Strelkov
Igor Strelkov. Photo: Pavel Golovkin / AP

The former commander of the Donbass militia, Igor Strelkov, admitted responsibility for starting a military conflict in eastern Ukraine. He made the corresponding statement in an interview with the Zavtra newspaper .

“I still pulled the trigger of the war. If our detachment had not crossed the border, in the end everything would have ended, as in Kharkov, as in Odessa. There would have been several dozen killed, burned, arrested. And that would have ended there,” Strelkov said, repeating that “practically the flywheel of the war that is still going on launched our detachment.”

According to the former commander, his detachment "mixed all the cards", starting to fight in earnest and destroy "sabotage groups of right-wingers." “And I bear personal responsibility for what happens there. I am responsible for the fact that Donetsk is still being shelled. For the fact that Slavyansk is abandoned, of course, I am responsible, ”he concluded.

Commenting on the beginning of the conflict, Strelkov noted that initially neither side wanted to fight: neither the militias nor the Ukrainian security forces. “The first days in Slavyansk, both we and they approached the use of weapons with extreme caution,” he said. “For a long time we did not touch their checkpoints, and they did not show aggression.” Attacks on Slavyansk, he said, followed after the Ukrainian side was convinced that Russia would not directly intervene in the conflict.

Igor Strelkov during the conflict over the Crimea in early 2014 was an adviser to Sergei Aksenov, who headed the government of the region. He commanded a local militia unit. Later he arrived in the east of Ukraine and led the militia of Slavyansk (Donetsk region). In early July, after fierce fighting for the city, he retreated to Donetsk with his garrison.

For several months he served as Minister of Defense of the self-proclaimed Donetsk Republic. In early August, it became known that Strelkov had resigned and left eastern Ukraine. He later confirmed that his resignation was not voluntary. “There was a bet on a supposedly peaceful settlement, a mistaken bet, in my opinion,” he said. - In connection with this rate, my stay was deemed inappropriate. And, I will not hide it, this was done through a certain amount of blackmail and direct pressure – by stopping the supply of aid from the territory of Russia.”

After the resignation, the former minister announced the creation of the Novorossiya movement, which will deal with humanitarian aid to the self-proclaimed republics.

In the spring of 2014, the Donetsk and Luhansk republics were proclaimed in eastern Ukraine, and their supporters took control of part of the territory of Donbass. In response, the Ukrainian authorities launched a military operation there, in which volunteer formations took part along with the troops. Several thousand people died during the conflict, including civilians. In early September, the parties signed a truce, after which the intensity of hostilities decreased, however, clashes and shelling continued in certain directions. Kyiv blames the conflict on Russia, accusing it of military support for the militias, Moscow denies this.

Igor Girkin - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

(Born Igor Girkin, Strelkov is a nickname)

All the way through Crimea like all the other Russian "exPat" "liberators".

So is he the sacrificial "lamb" now to get Russia's giblets out of the fire?
Of course if this is the case, then Putin has to admit that he didn't have a clue what was going on in the Donbass. And this war is a farce.