US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war - PART 2

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yebocan

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What the government does and yes what sort of message they send out in the ether. If pro-hard line anti Western people get in power, things will become more anti-Western. The average person will fall in line. Maybe we would get our own internet too like in Russia.

The world is watching and seeing which camp to ally or at least align with. If Western ideas are weak, if they benefit some inconvenient people too much. we may see some people use non-Western nations as models.

I suspect that most people here on this forum don't want that.
that is just the thing...all human drama, playing out and those without any semblance of grounding are little pawns/rabbit hole dwellers...being used...not even aware , as they lack self awareness...- humans and by extension humanity is a project in progress...with ebbs and flows , dead ends and new beginnings...-- the true understanding starts when you no longer strongly identify with the human drama/madness playing out... the change in perception, unlocks the true meaning of why we here and where we going... in the absence of it, you partake in the drama/madness -- with not even realising it.
 

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One sided links which ONLY take insatiable Russian imperialism as the only de facto standard and the reasoning is that America should ideally isolate and let our Russian and Chinese overlords dictate everything. I can see how that would work in South Africa where we would see the gov copying Russian and Chinese methods because those seem to be the de facto world standard.
no it's pointing out that people in glass houses like you shouldn't throw stones.
The whole story is one big mess, but if you ignore the backdrop starting in 2004 and accelerating in 2014 then you're just dishonest.

I went to the Ukrainian Church in Paris last week, they had a prayer in Russian and Ukraine. If you actually speak to some of them they agree that their country is being torn apart by the political ambitions of both Russia and America.

Of course Nico Nico sits in France, supposedly, he travels a lot around Eastern Europe. He's not a friend of the West nor of South Africa where he will just then say, well the former colonists should go back home to Netherlands or UK and enjoy Russian caviar and vodka there.

I love visiting Eastern Europe, Russia and America for that matter, but I am not a western jingoist who want to bomb people for the sake of "spreading democracy" or whatever excuse for imperial ambitions,
 

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no it's pointing out that people in glass houses like you shouldn't throw stones.
The whole story is one big mess, but if you ignore the backdrop starting in 2004 and accelerating in 2014 then you're just dishonest.

The backdrop goes all the way to Peter the Great.

I went to the Ukrainian Church in Paris last week, they had a prayer in Russian and Ukraine. If you actually speak to some of them they agree that their country is being torn apart by the political ambitions of both Russia and America.

No kidding. But the aggressor is the one who is doing the shooting and bombing. It's not American bombs which are killing people.

I love visiting Eastern Europe, Russia and America for that matter, but I am not a western jingoist who want to bomb people for the sake of "spreading democracy" or whatever excuse for imperial ambitions,

No you're a pro-Putinist.
 

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None of the neo-nazi groups in Ukraine are in the Ukrainian parliament, they received a tiny percentage of the votes in the last election. The Azov battalion is somewhere between 500 and 1500 strong iirc.

So your presumptions are rather inaccurate.

the battalion is a small part of it.

the azov group alone consists out of 3 parts at least, national corps, azov regiment and national militia. then there are other nazi groups as well, like c14. etc. even broadcasting their doctrine through podcasts and radio shows. international meetings/correspondences.


one easy/blatant example of their ties to parliament was interior minister arsen avakov, 2014-2021. others have been mentioned if anyone bothered looking.


a video of the c14 leader boasting about their role since ~2014
 

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I'll just leave this here. A twitter thread, unrolled for y'all...



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The less we say about Glenn, the better.

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lol the wuhan lab will call you asking for their misdirection back. even fauci denied any usa funding until he couldnt anymore :ROFL: still trying to bullshit their way around increasing a pathogens virulence :laugh:


btw, do you think the defense department of the united states is also posting lies about applauding the opening of a biolab researching dangerous pathogens used by bioterrorists?

you do realise they need to have these pathogens in their possession to research it, right?
 
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