US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war - PART 2

[tetrasect]

Who is at war here.

Is it Russia vs. Ukraine
Or is it Russia vs. NATO

I thought NATO and the US have nothing to do with this. They are just a peaceful defensive alliance and Ukraine is not part of it.

We start supporting Russia and next thing you know we are getting hammered with sanctions as well.

A friend of my enemy is my enemy and all that.

 

[Gyre]

Exactly my point. This is just an emotional response devoid of logic and reason.

Maybe it's your nature to lie in the corner licking a boot, but you cannot stop people from fighting back.

I disagree with Ukraine forcing men between certain ages to fight, but if people voluntarily choose to fight, let them. This is as stupid as arguing of what is the most humane way to murder people in a war.

 

[Fulcrum29]

I was surprised by Russia’s openly announced All-Russian Open Lesson, but then I realised that some here are also attempting to make this thread an All-Russian Open Lesson.

 

[Fulcrum29]

All the pro-Russians are saying SA shouldn't upset Russia because it will damage SA economically, yet SA trade with the US, UK, Japan and EU massively outweighs that trade. If the argument was truly about economic trade, then SA should align with the countries that oppose Russia.

Comrade social points.

 

[Vorastra]

I was surprised by Russia’s openly announced All-Russian Open Lesson, but then I realised that some here are also attempting to make this thread an All-Russian Open Lesson.

We only accept Ukrainian propaganda here.

 

[Emjay]

its funny all news places crying something along the lines of "there has not been an invasion of another like this since world war 2!!! "

i mean.. the first few that comes to mind is vietnam... iraq... weapons of mass destruction!!!... saudi bombing the crap out of yemen... lol


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Yeah, I am with you on this one. Syria too. The US bombed civilian infrastructure (a dam) and the world did not blink. The media even let the USA get away with this lie and only recently came out. Innocent civilians were blown up and the world barely blinked. The stuff happening in Afghanistan is imo more terrifying than what is going on in Ukraine right now and besides the celebrations of the US troops pulling out, there has not been a single mention of what is happening there here or on any MSM.

The propaganda machine is in full effect. All this outrage wouldn't feel so fake and false if anyone of the moral inquisitors in here spoke about the atrocities being committed all the time. We even had people who are in this thread right now lament on how Afghanistan was a **** hole some time ago.

A Propaganda Model, by Noam Chomsky (Excerpted from Manufacturing Consent)

The Noam Chomsky Website.

chomsky.info

The quality of coverage should also be displayed more directly and crudely in placement, headlining, word usage, and other modes of mobilizing interest and outrage. In the opinion columns, we would anticipate sharp restraints on the range of opinion allowed expression. Our hypothesis is that worthy victims will be featured prominently and dramatically, that they will be humanized, and that their victimization will receive the detail and context in story construction that will generate reader interest and sympathetic emotion. In contrast, unworthy victims will merit only slight detail, minimal humanization, and little context that will excite and enrage.

Meanwhile, because of the power of establishment sources, the flak machines, and anti-Communist ideology, we would anticipate outcries that the worthy victims are being sorely neglected, that the unworthy are treated with excessive and uncritical generosity, that the media’s liberal, adversarial (if not subversive) hostility to government explains our difficulties in mustering support for the latest national venture in counterrevolutionary intervention.

In sum, a propaganda approach to media coverage suggests a systematic and highly political dichotomization in news coverage based on serviceability to important domestic power interests. This should be observable in dichotomized choices of story and in the volume and quality of coverage… such dichotomization in the mass media is massive and systematic: not only are choices for publicity and suppression comprehensible in terms of system advantage, but the modes of handling favored and inconvenient materials (placement, tone, context, fullness of treatment) differ in ways that serve political ends.

 

[rietrot]

Maybe it's your nature to lie in the corner licking a boot, but you cannot stop people from fighting back.

I disagree with Ukraine forcing men between certain ages to fight, but if people voluntarily choose to fight, let them. This is as stupid as arguing of what is the most humane way to murder people in a war.

More emotional nonsense.

 

[tetrasect]

I was surprised by Russia’s openly announced All-Russian Open Lesson, but then I realised that some here are also attempting to make this thread an All-Russian Open Lesson.

I can see the world's hackers coming down hard on that "lesson".

 

[Gyre]

More emotional nonsense.

More bootlicking, I thought we were supposed to be the leftists

 

[Pak Fa Fui]

Maybe it's your nature to lie in the corner licking a boot, but you cannot stop people from fighting back.

I disagree with Ukraine forcing men between certain ages to fight, but if people voluntarily choose to fight, let them. This is as stupid as arguing of what is the most humane way to murder people in a war.

It’s to push up the civilian casualty rates. The Ukraine are forcing men to fight but not arming them. It’s a slaughterhouse, well not yet.

 

[Gyre]

We only accept Ukrainian propaganda here.

Very fine people on both sides.

 

[Vorastra]

I can see the worlds hackers coming down hard on that "lesson".

*Ukrainian anthem blasting on the intercom intensifies*

 

[rietrot]

We start supporting Russia and next thing you know we are getting hammered with sanctions as well.

A friend of my enemy is my enemy and all that.

Yes because we are a threat to the west. They are so insecure.

 

[Vorastra]

Very fine people on both sides.

Who cares about truth, when we can meme.

 

[Gyre]

Who cares about truth, when we can meme.

Glad to see you being so tolerant and open-minded about a one-sided war, how very liberal of you

 

[dualmeister]

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has cost Johann Rupert nearly R19 billion so far | News24

Nicky Oppenheimer has done pretty well this year, but Johann Rupert's assets have bled value as Russia upended markets.

www.businessinsider.co.za

The fate of billionaire Russian oligarch Alisher Usmanov's $600 million mega-yacht is unclear

The oligarch has historically supported Russian President Vladimir Putin, though he hasn't commented on recent sanctions or the war against Ukraine.

www.businessinsider.co.za

 

[Vorastra]

It’s to push up the civilian casualty rates. The Ukraine are forcing men to fight but not arming them. It’s a slaughterhouse, well not yet.

That's anti-Ukrainian propaganda. @TheNihilist doesn't like ideas like that.

 

[Vorastra]

Glad to see you being so tolerant and open-minded about a one-sided war

I don't give an F about either side in this.
I want to know what's happening, not what some biased sht heads want it to look like.

If I wanted that I'd just sit in the pro-Ukrainian telegrams that I'm part of.

 

[yebocan]

Exactly my point. This is just an emotional response devoid of logic and reason.

at the end of the day, we all human...some have a better handle on their emotions than others...devoid of emotion , you lose so much of what it means to be human...too much emotion and you just become an annoyance....in the centre you find the perfect balance....in my eyes Vlad is wanting to rewrite the global order =to cement his place in history...boils down to ego, somewhere in his mind, good intent is floating around...not forgetting the road to hell is pathed with many a good intention....= which by no means is perfect, but a hell of lot better than what Vlad is pushing. Ukraine is ****ed, ---to many she is being laid at the table of sacrifice by West , for others hoping that she would overcome the Russian, everyone loves an underdog... cheering Ukraine... with the usual censorious cat fighting that comes along with two positions forwarding their argument... not really seeing the bigger picture...-1) a firm line has been drawn in the sand...2) and more importantly gives the West time to not only reinforce their borders/defences, but to effectively isolate Russia...to cut Vlad's army modernization drive (the soviet era crap they are using, surely can not be their modern army? - 2 hit the ordinary Russian economically...causing issues for the government. Somewhere this scenario has been game planned years ago...it has been pulled and being implemented.. just another sad human tragedy ... plenty of them litter history...like the individual, collectively we get stuck in a loop...repeating ourselves...this has happened before and will happen again and again...

 

[Vorastra]

Ka-52 in Melitopol. Allegedly this morning.

https://imgur.com/r4yHqqW