US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war - PART 2

[Major Boredom]

do you condone the USA 2014 coup d'état or not?

So the blacks keep telling us Whitey's to piss off back to Europe. In your case I think it would be to piss off back to Russia

 

[Fulcrum29]

Live updates: Russia invades Ukraine and Vladimir Putin news

Russia has ramped up assaults on key Ukrainian cities, as President Zelensky pleads for more international assistance and a second round of talks between Ukraine and Russia are set to take place. Follow here for live news updates from on the ground in Ukraine.

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Kremlin addresses Russian military casualties from its invasion of Ukraine​

Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov has expressed "great sorrow" over Russian military casualties suffered during the invasion of Ukraine.

"Naturally, we all express condolences to relatives and friends, those who have lost their husbands and children. Of course, this is a great tragedy for all of us," said Peskov on Thursday.

"At the same time, we all admire the heroism of the military. Their acts of bravery will of course go down in history as a feat in the fight against the Nazis and the fulfillment of this important task."

 

[ToxicBunny]

So the blacks keep telling us Whitey's to piss off back to Europe. In your case I think it would be to piss off back to Russia

I can't go to Russia

I supported McCains coup of a country where he wanted to insert himself as Ruler for Life and All Eternity

 

[Blu82]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499310493063958530

 

[The Trutherizer]

I'm not disputing the existence of the recordings... but do the recordings show the ambassador picking the next president?

I'm sure international diplomacy is quite different from what people think it is.

The fact remains that no matter how much Russia, or supporters of Russia, or critics of the West, or haters of Ukraine try to call the kettle grey...
Russia is waging a high destructive military campaign against eh people of Ukraine. Unilaterally. Illegally. Brutally. The civilians are taking heavy casualties, and the civilian government officials are being targeted for assassination.
Russia is destroying the infrastructure, civilian government buildings and much of the heritage of the Ukraine as well. Let alone the economy.

And I am convinced Russia covertly instigated and nurtured ALL the pro-Russian "rebellions" in ex Soviet neighbouring countries. With the express intent to eventually use the conflict as justification for invasion and annexation/complete diplomatic/political domination. Belarus, Chenya, Crimea and the Donbass. Not least due to the shitty show Moscow showed the world of their security council discussing the "support the reintegration of [cough-cough too soon!] ratification of separatist region independence"

They. Are. Never. Coming. Out. Of. This. As. Morally. Superior/Equal.

Pundits can write it on their foreheads.

 

[ToxicBunny]

I'm sure international diplomacy is quite different from what people think it is.

The fact remains that no matter Russia, or supporters of Russia, or critics of the West, or haters of Ukraine try to call the kettle grey...
Russia is waging a high destructive military against eh people of Ukraine. Unilaterally. Illegally. Brutally. The civilians are taking heavy casualties, and the civilian government officials are being targeted for assassination.
Russia is destroying the infrastructure, civilian government buildings and much of the heritage of the Ukraine as well. Let alone the economy.

And I am convinced Russia covertly instigated and nurtured ALL the pro-Russian "rebellions" in ex Soviet neighbouring countries. With the express intent to eventually use the conflict as justification for invasion and annexation/complete diplomatic/political domination. Belarus, Chenya, Crimea and the Donbass. Not least due to the shitty show Moscow showed the world of their security council discussing the "support the reintegration of [cough-cough too soon!] ratification of separatist region independence"

They. Are. Never. Coming. Out. Of. This. As. Morally. Superior.

Pundits can write it on their foreheads.

In all honesty I'm making zero statements about international diplomacy or anything of the sort.

I'm just querying if these recordings actually show the ambassador picking the president.

As to the general gist of your post, I think this was a calculated risk taken by Russia that is in the process of backfiring spectacularly on Putin, his days at the head of Russia are numbered if this war continues for much longer.

 

[Fulcrum29]

This is Russian PR, but I guess my suspicions my ring true that Russia’s created humanitarian crises serve as a platform for promoting their governance and care,

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tass.com

Russia delivers 30 tonnes of humanitarian aid to Ukrainian residents from Belgorod region​

According to the ministry, the cargo includes food products: cereals, canned meat and fish, confectionery and bakery products, sweets, bottled drinking water

MOSCOW, March 3. /TASS/. Russian servicemen have delivered more than 30 tonnes of humanitarian aid to residents of Ukraine from the Belgorod region, Russia’s Defense Ministry said on Thursday.

"The Russian military delivered a shipment of humanitarian cargo from the Belgorod region to the territory of the Ukrainian settlements near the Russian-Ukrainian border in the Kharkiv region. Humanitarian aid totaling over 30 tonnes has been delivered to Volchansk and Cossack Lopan from the neighboring Belgorod region at the request of the local population," the ministry specified.

According to the ministry, the cargo includes food products: cereals, canned meat and fish, confectionery and bakery products, sweets, bottled drinking water.

The security of the humanitarian convoy was provided by Russian military. The humanitarian cargo was handed over to residents of border settlements - women, children, elderly people.

The Romans and some other dynasties perfected this in the olden days. Kharkiv is well outside the disputed territories. That snake convoy of theirs... this is what it is purposed for, or so I presume.

 

[The Trutherizer]

In all honesty I'm making zero statements about international diplomacy or anything of the sort.

I'm just querying if these recordings actually show the ambassador picking the president.

As to the general gist of your post, I think this was a calculated risk taken by Russia that is in the process of backfiring spectacularly on Putin, his days at the head of Russia are numbered if this war continues for much longer.

Oh pardon. It was not so much directed at you, I was just climbing into the convo for my 2c

Because I'm getting irritated with the pundit behaviour of: "Oh you think Russia invading so bad... Look here is a pic of the US jaywalking."
Just any bad anywhere seems enough to some here to justify anything Russia does to Ukraine. NATO this, EU that, US so-and-so...
But Ukraine is being violated. And no they are not perfect either. But they are being crushed. For no good reason.

 

[Cray]

In all honesty I'm making zero statements about international diplomacy or anything of the sort.

I'm just querying if these recordings actually show the ambassador picking the president.

Yeah, this, the way conspiracy theorists spin it could well be the American's saying something like, this is our preferred candidate. Of course, all of that is a little academic as the new president after the revolution lost in 2019 so honestly, this whole coup nonsense really has no bearing on the leadership of the country as it now stands.

 

[GreatWmR]

France is not Russia.......yet

Soon...

https://www.reddit.com/r/mapporncirclejerk/comments/t2jn8v

 

[ToxicBunny]

Oh pardon. It was not so much directed at you, I was just climbing into the convo for my 2c

No stress, wasn't getting upset, just clarifying

 

[Grant]

Why do we have recordings of the US ambassador choosing who is going to be the next president?

So I have got to read the transcript of the conversation.

A coup typically has 3 components :
Seizing control of current govt.
Removal of that govt / leader.
Inserting new govt / leader.

Did the USA seize control or remove any govt structures?

What I am reading is a discussion about a "wish list" of preferred (USA preferred) leaders to be installed.
The USA, or any other interested govt or parties would be doing the same and lobbying for their own preferred candidates.

It would be almost like saying the USA carried out a coup in this country to have Mandela and the anc elected to power.
During the period in which the anc was a banned organisation, the USA govt had extensive discussions with leaders of the anc within the protection of their diplomatic missions here.

The conversation (Ukraine) was between state dept in Washington and its ambassador to the Ukraine.
Diplomatic missions have 3 core componants:
Consular
Political
Economic.

The recorded conversation is nothing unusual to be heard in any country's embassy when the host nation is going thru political turmoil and possibly facing a vacuum in leadership.
All countries would be having internal discussions as to their chosen leadership that may serve that country's political ambitions or objectives.

 

[Emjay]

I'm sure international diplomacy is quite different from what people think it is.

The fact remains that no matter how much Russia, or supporters of Russia, or critics of the West, or haters of Ukraine try to call the kettle grey...
Russia is waging a high destructive military campaign against eh people of Ukraine. Unilaterally. Illegally. Brutally. The civilians are taking heavy casualties, and the civilian government officials are being targeted for assassination.
Russia is destroying the infrastructure, civilian government buildings and much of the heritage of the Ukraine as well. Let alone the economy.

And I am convinced Russia covertly instigated and nurtured ALL the pro-Russian "rebellions" in ex Soviet neighbouring countries. With the express intent to eventually use the conflict as justification for invasion and annexation/complete diplomatic/political domination. Belarus, Chenya, Crimea and the Donbass. Not least due to the shitty show Moscow showed the world of their security council discussing the "support the reintegration of [cough-cough too soon!] ratification of separatist region independence"

They. Are. Never. Coming. Out. Of. This. As. Morally. Superior/Equal.

Pundits can write it on their foreheads.

And no one is going to deny that.

 

[Emjay]

So I have got to read the transcript of the conversation.

A coup typically has 3 components :
Seizing control of current govt.
Removal of that govt / leader.
Inserting new govt / leader.

Did the USA seize control or remove any govt structures?

What I am reading is a discussion about a "wish list" of preferred (USA preferred) leaders to be installed.
The USA, or any other interested govt or parties would be doing the same and lobbying for their own preferred candidates.

It would be almost like saying the USA carried out a coup in this country to have Mandela and the anc elected to power.
During the period in which the anc was a banned organisation, the USA govt had extensive discussions with leaders of the anc within the protection of their diplomatic missions here.

The conversation (Ukraine) was between state dept in Washington and its ambassador to the Ukraine.
Diplomatic missions have 3 core componants:
Consular
Political
Economic.

The recorded conversation is nothing unusual to be heard in any country's embassy when the host nation is going thru political turmoil and possibly facing a vacuum in leadership.
All countries would be having internal discussions as to their chosen leadership that may serve that country's political ambitions or objectives.

The USA has a long history of regime change using overt and covert methods. You can interpret it how you like. I hear the discussion and hear USA's meddling.

United States involvement in regime change - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Fulcrum29]

Ukraine themselves stated that Russia is intended on encircling cities, cutting off their supply (incl. electricity and water, you know the basics), a point which has been supported by the French, but now NATO reports,

Russia shifting to more direct attacks on Ukrainian cities, says NATO official

Russia has ramped up assaults on key Ukrainian cities, as President Zelensky pleads for more international assistance and a second round of talks between Ukraine and Russia are set to take place. Follow here for live news updates from on the ground in Ukraine.

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Russia shifting to more direct attacks on Ukrainian cities, says NATO official​

Russia will take a more direct approach in its effort to capture Ukrainian cities after plans to encircle targets such as Kyiv have been frustrated, according to a NATO military official.

“We’re seeing a change in strategy from the Russian side … They’re less focused on encircling cities, more concentrated trying to go in," the unnamed official told CNN.

“[Heavier] bombardment is a side effect of that shift,” the official said.

Russia’s slow advance and heavy losses suffered in the first few days of its invasion have forced the change, the official said, with Russian forces now hamstrung by logistical issues as they attempt to push further into Ukraine.

“It’s the whole logistical chain that is somehow not working [properly],” the NATO official said. “So what we’ve seen is really poor strategy, combined with bad preparation and dwindling morale.”

“They have no food, they lack fuel and also spare parts," they added.

NATO and the US keeps on pushing this view with greater importance, now I am not saying that they are being untruthful, but it is conflicting reports. Ukraine says this, NATO says that.

I had to run down the CNN news feed, but here is an earlier news segment from the view of the French,

French Foreign Minister warns the worst may be to come in Ukraine

Russia has ramped up assaults on key Ukrainian cities, as President Zelensky pleads for more international assistance and a second round of talks between Ukraine and Russia are set to take place. Follow here for live news updates from on the ground in Ukraine.

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French Foreign Minister warns the worst may be to come in Ukraine​

France's Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian has warned that the situation in Ukraine could further deteriorate under relentless bombardment from Russia.

“Indeed, it’s possible that the worst is ahead of us,” Le Drian said in a TV interview with France 2 on Thursday, adding that the conflict had entered a "logic of siege."

Due to fierce resistance from the Ukrainian military and people, Russia’s hope to end the war quickly is gradually fading away, he said.

The continuous build-up of forces around major Ukrainian cities like Kharkiv and the capital, Kyiv, could mean that the war is entering a stage of siege, according to Le Drian.

“You know the Russians are accustomed to fighting wars in a logic of siege, remember Aleppo and remember Grozny,” he said.

if you have a look at the interactive encounter maps, Russia is still advancing around major cities and hubs without them losing ground... I don't believe Russia is in a stalemate at all, their approach of invading and making progress into Ukraine is very different in each front of their attack.

 

[Hamish McPanji]

Done...

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/Rubles one out

 

[Fulcrum29]

The USA has a long history of regime change using overt and covert methods. You can interpret it how you like. I hear the discussion and hear USA's meddling.

United States involvement in regime change - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Zero search results for "Ukraine", anything you wish to highlight?

 

[Tokolosk]

You think they will deploy their entire air force to the western front?

That's what I did in Command & Conquer Red Alert, worked every time.

 

[Fulcrum29]

I guess Kherson's government has fallen,

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499347505384939521

Russian forces have fully captured the building of the Kherson Oblast Administration, according to governor Hennadiy Lahuta.

 

[MiW]

Dangerous enemy of the state