US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war - PART 2

[ToxicBunny]

no one does, but the US and her allies did it in Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc etc. This has been going on since men picked up sticks

Oh ok, so because they did.. its ok for Putin to do it...

 

[Mirai]

Except Russians are not Slavs.....

Russians are Slavs.

 

[thestaggy]

Dan Carlin mentions that there's a real threat of Russia using a small tactical nuclear weapon in Ukraine to show the West he's serious and get them to back off.

Turned on BBC World now and they are talking about the possibility of the same thing.

We just have to wait and see

I've been listening to Dan Carlin's Blitz: The Destroyer of Worlds podcast where he talks extensively about nuclear weapons. He mentions escalation dominance. If Russia uses tac nukes they will begin a chain reaction where we end up with strategic nukes being used anyway.

You use a tac nuke, I use a tac nuke. You use a stronger tac nuke, I use a stronger tac nuke. Eventually someone uses a strategic weapon and a city goes up in a mushroom cloud.

If you are going to use a nuke, don't waste everyone's time. Swing for the fences and fvck sh*t up one time, don't drag the inevitable out.

 

[rambo919]

Russians are Slavs.

Nope.... Slavs might speak Russian but that does not make them Rus

 

[Mirai]

Oh ok, so because they did.. its ok for Putin to do it...

Russians killed 2 mil Afghanis, so how did they America outdo them?

 

[The Trutherizer]

So him being pissed with NATO gives him the right to invade a sovereign country?

I mean all things said and done. If Putin's problem is with anything relating to the agreements around Russian withdrawal from East Germany, then in fairness he should be trying to re-annexe East Germany now.

But no... Putin's disingenuous, belligerent statement through word and action is basically: "NATO goes back, in my opinion, on our agreements - Russia goes back to invading any country it wants."

It is so far removed from reason that reason is not even in sight.

 

[Pak Fa Fui]

EDITORIAL | Ukraine: History will show SA sided with the oppressor​

EDITORIAL | Ukraine: History will show SA sided with the oppressor | News24

In arguably its most shameful foreign policy act since 1994, the South African government abstained from voting for a special resolution before the UN General Assembly on Wednesday.

www.news24.com

The truth of the matter is that South Africa has been an oppressive government even after 1994. Only thing that happened after 1994 is that the ANC sided with communists and turned South Africa into a Communist country. They still oppress and discriminate against minorities today.

So, history will show that the ANC is just as bad as the Apartheid government, if not even worse, and nothing have changed since they took over.

Mandela famously said, “it’s a common mistake that political journalists make, that your enemies must be our enemies, they’re not. Those people that support the struggle, not just in rhetoric but with arms and financial aid. Will forever be supported by us.”

 

[Mirai]

Nope.... Slavs might speak Russian but that does not make them Rus

Majority of Russians are Slavic. Yes there are some minorities in the Federation.

Point went over your head though.

 

[Grant]

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I guess they're too busy writing up sanctions to bother maybe pulling this apart & seeing what could be done.
I suspect that's not part of the plan till some later date.

Seems like whoever was highlighting some things, selectively chose to ignore others

 

[rambo919]

Majority of Russians are Slavic. Yes there are some minorities in the Federation.

Point went over your head though.

Russian != Russian Speaker.

EDIT: Russian here is an actual ethnicity, some of the others (who I did not bother to look up) are Slavs.... but not the Russians.

Ethnic groups (2010)[3]	80.9% Russian 3.9% Tatar 1.4% Ukrainian 1.1% Bashkir 1.0% Chuvash 1.0% Chechen 10.7% Other

 

[Mirai]

Mandela famously said, “it’s a common mistake that political journalists make, that your enemies must be our enemies, they’re not. Those people that support the struggle, not just in rhetoric but with arms and financial aid. Will forever be supported by us.”

I thought the USSR supported ANC not Russia. So USSR = Russia?

 

[Fulcrum29]

Confirmation of some high ranking Russian officer who have been killed.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499320660476182529

I see there is some mystery surrounding his death, not that he is dead, but how he died. From being poisoned to his parachute not opening, and everything in between, but it seems that he died in a shot down helicopter crash in some Southern incursion point. Russia is sending their commanders up deep... his Russian rank is UK brigadier equivalent, or so it is said. I don't know who is who in Russia, and I only know one John McClane though I see some other McCain brought up here many a time.

NOTE: NOT VERIFIED

 

[Wrath of Khan]

Oh ok, so because they did.. its ok for Putin to do it...

you are missing the point completely..

I really do hope you were this vocal in all the other wars, including Iraq / Vietnam. The problem is every war / occupation is wrong and never ends well for either side.

BUT, they can all be averted

 

[Pak Fa Fui]

Do civilians surrender? I thought only combatants surrender. Non combatants are occupied but to surrender you must have been fighting.

I suppose yes, those women and children did surrender.

The current law is for all men 18-60 to take up arms and fight.
So any unarmed combatants have surrendered.

 

[Mirai]

you are missing the point completely..

I really do hope you were this vocal in all the other wars, including Iraq / Vietnam. The problem is every war / occupation is wrong and never ends well for either side.

BUT, they can all be averted

This is all rubbish argumentation. It's like if you weren't vocal then, you can't speak now. How do you know some of us weren't vocal? You were probably still in diapers when Serbia was bombed.

 

[Cray]

no one does, but the US and her allies did it in Vietnam, Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc etc. This has been going on since men picked up sticks

Not sure Korea or Vietnam count as invasions when both South Korea and South Vietnam wanted US assistance. Agree about Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Unhappy438]

Well I hope by that standard you also condemn the US, Israel and SA.

wHATaBOUt the Ottoman empire?

 

[Mirai]

The current law is for all men 18-60 to take up arms and fight.
So any unarmed combatants have surrendered.

The law may be such but if an individual did not take up arms he is no fighting them.

But that just muddies the water. Point is that people over 60, women and children were also forced to surrender because starvation, cold, no water and bombs make civilians do that.

Well I suppose it's true, those Ukrainians really were pro Russia all along otherwise they'd do a Banzai attack on those tanks.

 

[Mirai]

Not sure Korea or Vietnam count as invasions when both South Korea and South Vietnam wanted US assistance. Agree about Iraq and Afghanistan.

Afghanistan harboured and allowed terror groups to stage 911 and other attacks.

But compare the Russian vs American Afghan war. It's telling that even the Taliban hate the Russians more.

 

[ToxicBunny]

Not sure Korea or Vietnam count as invasions when both South Korea and South Vietnam wanted US assistance. Agree about Iraq and Afghanistan.

Iraq is also slightly questionable (at least initially) since Iraq kind of invaded Kuwait