US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war - PART 2

[Grant]

Yes, I too condemn the public executions, torture and rapes in the Donbass by the Ukrainian government.

If only there was a way to make it stop.... oh, there was.

And of the Russian govt in Georgia, Chechnya, Syria, Afghanistan.........?

 

[Bobbin]

I've been listening to Dan Carlin's Blitz: The Destroyer of Worlds podcast where he talks extensively about nuclear weapons. He mentions escalation dominance. If Russia uses tac nukes they will begin a chain reaction where we end up with strategic nukes being used anyway.

You use a tac nuke, I use a tac nuke. You use a stronger tac nuke, I use a stronger tac nuke. Eventually someone uses a strategic weapon and a city goes up in a mushroom cloud.

If you are going to use a nuke, don't waste everyone's time. Swing for the fences and fvck sh*t up one time, don't drag the inevitable out.

Who will nuke innocent Russian civilians if Putin nukes Ukraine?

 

[Mirai]

Iraq is also slightly questionable (at least initially) since Iraq kind of invaded Kuwait

They could have tried diplomacy harder. Bush forced it through faster.

But there was an initial attack on Kuwait, for sure, in 1991.

 

[Tun@]

It would essentially take both the US and Russia out of the picture. Everywhere. Except where either subjectively determine that the actions of the other is undermining their security. Sure it fully protects both Russia and the US from each other. But it would prevent US participation in ANY military actions ANYWHERE, which may not even involve the Russian Federation. The US would not be able to engage thus even to protect their allies from OTHER nations. Such as, for example, Russia's allies, among them China.

If China then determines to annexe Taiwan - It wouldn't even matter one way or the other if Russia is involved or not - The US would not be able to form part of a defence of their ally nation. Or any other ally nation. NATO, UN or otherwise.

All that this would leave the US is the right to defend itself from invasion.


If this is a real draft, then I say they are trying to pull a fast one. I doubt the US would ever sign that.
It's practically insulting.

Yes no doubt a lot of deleting needed to come to any agreement but would at least be a start.

Seems like whoever was highlighting some things, selectively chose to ignore others

I couldn't find the shortened version source & that's a video grab, highlighting not mine.

 

[Wrath of Khan]

Russians killed 2 mil Afghanis, so how did they America outdo them?

Vietnam total dead 3.5 million
Iraq 350,000 / 10million displaced
Afghan 200,000
etc
etc
etc

 

[Polymathic]

I've been listening to Dan Carlin's Blitz: The Destroyer of Worlds podcast where he talks extensively about nuclear weapons. He mentions escalation dominance. If Russia uses tac nukes they will begin a chain reaction where we end up with strategic nukes being used anyway.

You use a tac nuke, I use a tac nuke. You use a stronger tac nuke, I use a stronger tac nuke. Eventually someone uses a strategic weapon and a city goes up in a mushroom cloud.

If you are going to use a nuke, don't waste everyone's time. Swing for the fences and fvck sh*t up one time, don't drag the inevitable out.

China could use a similar strategy. I've seen reports of China increasing their nuclear stockpiles.

 

[Wrath of Khan]

This is all rubbish argumentation. It's like if you weren't vocal then, you can't speak now. How do you know some of us weren't vocal? You were probably still in diapers when Serbia was bombed.

and you've never been into a war zone, guaranteed

 

[Cray]

Iraq is also slightly questionable (at least initially) since Iraq kind of invaded Kuwait

True, was talking about the second one, Desert storm was simply to drive Iraq from Kuwait, as far as I know, the coalition never set foot on Iraqi soil during Desert storm.

 

[The_Right_Honourable_Brit]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499370589521338377

 

[Fulcrum29]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499360792294141959

Ukraine confirms peace talks with Russia today, on March 3. A member of the Ukrainian delegation, lawmaker David Arakhamia, said that Ukraine is looking to at least agree on humanitarian corridors.

Fighting is due to happen in that peace talk. Both groups would seek to exploit their own proposed corridors. Third parties need to manage and recommend where these corridors are to be located.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Ukraine And The New Al Qaeda​

As the conflict between Ukraine and Russia continues to escalate and dominate the world’s attention, the increasing evidence that the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) is and has been working to create and arm an insurgency in the country has received considerably little attention considering its likely consequences. This is particularly true given that former CIA officials and a former Secretary of State are now openly saying that the CIA is following the “models” of past CIA-backed insurgencies in Afghanistan and Syria for its plans in Ukraine. Given that those countries have been ravaged by war as a direct result of those insurgencies, this bodes poorly for Ukraine.

Yet, this insurgency is poised to have consequences that reach far beyond Ukraine. It increasingly appears that the CIA sees the insurgency it is creating as more than an opportunity to take its hybrid war against Russia ever closer to its borders. As this report will show, it appears the CIA is determined to manifest a prophecy propagated by its own ranks over the past two years. This prediction from former and current intelligence officials dates from at least early 2020 and holds that a “transnational white supremacist network” with alleged ties to the Ukraine conflict will be the next global catastrophe to befall the world as the threat of Covid-19 recedes.

Per these “predictions”, this global network of white supremacists – allegedly with a group linked to the conflict in the Donbas region of Ukraine at its core – is to become the new Islamic State-style threat and will undoubtedly be used as the pretext to launch the still-dormant infrastructure set up last year by the US government under President Biden for an Orwellian “War on Domestic Terror.”

Given that this CIA-driven effort to build an insurgency in Ukraine began as far back as 2015 and that the groups it has trained (and continues to train) include those with overt Neo-Nazi connections, it seems that this “coming Ukrainian insurgency,” as it has been recently called, is already here. In that context, we are left with the unnerving possibility that this latest escalation of the Ukraine-Russia conflict has merely served as the opening act for the newest iteration of the seemingly endless “War on Terror.”

Ukraine and the New Al Qaeda

Ukraine has given the CIA the pretext to launch a long-planned insurgency, one with major implications for Biden’s “War on Domestic Terror”

www.thelastamericanvagabond.com

 

[Mirai]

and you've never been into a war zone, guaranteed

Ok so now it's not about opposing but actually fighting ...

I was in a war zone, when I was young. I won't say where or when.

 

[Nicodeamus]

Insurgency Rising​

Soon after Russia began military operations in Ukraine, Foreign Affairs – the media arm of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) – published an article entitled “The Coming Ukrainian Insurgency.” The piece was authored by Douglas London, a self-described “retired Russian-speaking CIA operations officer who served in Central Asia and managed agency counterinsurgency operations.” He asserted in the article that “Putin will face a long, bloody insurgency that will spread across multiple borders” with the potential to create “widening unrest that could destabilize other countries in Russia’s orbit.”

Other notable statements made by London include his assertion that “the United States will invariably be a major and essential source of backing for a Ukrainian insurgency.” He also states that “As the United States learned in Vietnam and Afghanistan, an insurgency that has reliable supply lines, ample reserves of fighters, and sanctuary over the border can sustain itself indefinitely, sap an occupying army’s will to fight, and exhaust political support for the occupation at home.” London explicitly refers to models for this apparently imminent Ukrainian insurgency as the CIA-backed insurgencies in Afghanistan in the 1980s and the “moderate rebels” in Syria from 2011 to the present.

London isn’t alone in promoting these past CIA-backed insurgencies as a model for “covert” US aid to Ukraine. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, whose State Department helped to create the “moderate rebel” insurgency in Syria and oversaw the US and NATO-backed destruction of Libya, appeared on MSNBC on February 28th to say essentially the same. In her interview, Clinton cited the CIA-backed insurgency in Afghanistan as “the model that people [in the US government] are now looking toward” with respect to the situation in Ukraine. She also references the insurgency in Syria in similar fashion in the same interview. It is worth noting that Clinton’s former deputy chief of staff when she was Secretary of State, Jake Sullivan, is now Biden’s National Security Adviser.

 

[daveza]

This civilian residence must have been full of nazis.

 

[Cray]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1499370589521338377

God, liking a post about a Ben Shapiro tweet.... Putin really has united everyone against him.

 

[thestaggy]

Who will nuke innocent Russian civilians if Putin nukes Ukraine?

Article 4.

Use of nukes, even on a tactical level, is a significant escalation and if one NATO member feels threatened by this it goes to council and NATO can come out of this with a green light to engage Russia.

 

[s0lar]

This civilian residence must have been full of nazis.


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Don't be a smart arse, every war has collateral damage.

 

[Mirai]

This civilian residence must have been full of nazis.


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Failure of Russian smart weapons. They wanted to show off, but WW2 type bombing is what they have to resort too. Not everyone can pretend to be America. You need trained pilots. You need satellites and guidance systems. You need good munitions. You need flight time. You need money.

 

[Fulcrum29]

This civilian residence must have been full of nazis.


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Must have been the Fourth Reich's headquarters by the looks of it, the after, that is.

 

[daveza]

Don't be a smart arse, every war has collateral damage.

It's a direct hit on an apartment block.

Got f/all do do with collateral damage.