US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

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Jola said:
No, the Ukraine won't win.

But it is becoming more and more apparent that the Russian people are also against this war. See the TV Video of demonstrations in Russia.

So the more Russian soldiers that go home in plastic bags, the sooner the Russian people will revolt and this will all end.

Maybe Putin ends up like Mussolini.
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So in summary Ukraine defeat their moral by send the dead home? Didn’t work in the border war or anywhere else there was a direct conflict. Same can be said for the Ukrainian dead.

But I get what you are trying to say.
 
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animal531 said:
It is a Strela, but what somehow makes it Ukrainian?
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The fact that he stopped a little distance away and asked for directions after wandering through neighborhoods as he had lost his unit. The narrative on the incident suddenly changed from "Bloodthirsty civilian murdering Ruskies!" to "Poor Ukrainian driver was scared, lost and confused as he was separated from his unit."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1497128537681186817
 
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Anybody recommend a decent unbiased news source. The usual west are biased to the west and Russia today and other also obviously biased to the other.
 
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your reasoning does not appear to make sense, that would imply putin is calling himself and his people hitler and nazis.


there is an actual neo nazi element within the ukrainian military forces. as i have posted. it has been known for years now.
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No, you are saying anyone that calls others "nazis" falls into the "those types" group, so I am suggesting that every side is doing it so that every one is one of "those types".

Even if there were actual Nazi baby eating soldiers in Ukraine, it doesn't justify a full-on invasion, not does it make the communist regime and less ****
 
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Mirai said:
Were there many who refused? Could they also leave any time they wanted to? You know sometimes conscription is implicit.



That's called conscription. Russia has done it, USA has done it, many others have done it. We had it in SA under SADF.

You're now arguing against something which is commonly done everywhere. Yes there are professional armies and territorial defense forces (national guard) but if there is an all out war, then able bodied men are usually called up to fight. Many of these men already have had military training.

That's why the Russians should not have invaded.
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The point is that those deaths and the forced involvement of civilians with no training etc is just as barbaric as the acts claimed against Russia. Worse actually, as a point is being made to clearly strike at military targets and installations. By blurring that, with unwilling forces, the butchers bill can climb for no reason other than a politicians pride.

Familiar with the phrase, "For the flag or the honor of it"? No stupider centuries later.
 
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Ukraine invasion: Poland refuses to play World Cup play-off match against Russia

Polish FA president, Cezary Kulesza, said on Twitter: "No more words, time to act! Due to the escalation of the aggression of the Russian Federation towards Ukraine the Polish national team does not intend to play the play-off match against Russia."
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Poland has refused to play a World Cup play-off match against Russia next month because of the Ukraine invasion, according to the Polish FA.

The association's president, Cezary Kulesza, said on Twitter: "In light of the escalation of the Russian Federation's aggression against Ukraine, the Polish national team is not going to play a match against Russian Republic."

Kulesza said the Polish FA was in talks with its Swedish and Czech counterparts regarding play-off games set for March to fill a slot for the World Cup.

He said: "No more words, it's time to act."
 
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The Czech Republic is a small nation and has now decided to ship them weapons and ammunition worth ~$8.6m. Last month they shipped 4,000 artillery shells to the Ukrainians. It is a drop in the pond, but a willing player.
 
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Norrad said:
You don't have to read between the lines. That's just your political stance coming out in defence of one side over another.
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Dude, how does one know MANY people who lived under one?

Yeah my political stance. Yes of course I prefer people have to have a right to decide if foreign forces are on their territory or not, and if those forces install and maintain oppressive regimes.

You're just being a sophist. At the end of the day all stances could be said to be political. Oh so you're against apartheid, politics. You're against war, politics. You're against foreign interference, politics. etc.

When we get to this low level of discussion.

You also bring up living in Japan. What does this mean? You spoke to some Japanese and they told you they told their government to evict the Americans? The Japanese could ask that at any time.

I also have Japanese connections and they are pro American.

To equate the US bases in Japan with Russian regime change and maintenance of totalitarian regimes is just pure lunacy. It's just incorrect usage of language if I am to be charitable to you or purposefully morally relativising two entirely different concepts to score rhetorical points.
 
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Dave said:
news.sky.com

Ukraine invasion: Poland refuses to play World Cup play-off match against Russia

Polish FA president, Cezary Kulesza, said on Twitter: "No more words, time to act! Due to the escalation of the aggression of the Russian Federation towards Ukraine the Polish national team does not intend to play the play-off match against Russia."
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Poland has refused to play a World Cup play-off match against Russia next month because of the Ukraine invasion, according to the Polish FA.

The association's president, Cezary Kulesza, said on Twitter: "In light of the escalation of the Russian Federation's aggression against Ukraine, the Polish national team is not going to play a match against Russian Republic."

Kulesza said the Polish FA was in talks with its Swedish and Czech counterparts regarding play-off games set for March to fill a slot for the World Cup.

He said: "No more words, it's time to act."
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Russia must be rightly boycotted and sanctioned. Russia’s regime has gone mad, they overplayed their own mandate.
 
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Fulcrum29 said:
The Czech Republic is a small nation and has now decided to ship them weapons and ammunition worth ~$8.6m. Last month they shipped 4,000 artillery shells to the Ukrainians. It is a drop in the pond, but a willing player.
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Is sending more munitions just increasing the time of the war and in turn more dead?

More shells, more bunkers. Longer war?
 
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Dave said:
news.sky.com

Ukraine invasion: Poland refuses to play World Cup play-off match against Russia

Polish FA president, Cezary Kulesza, said on Twitter: "No more words, time to act! Due to the escalation of the aggression of the Russian Federation towards Ukraine the Polish national team does not intend to play the play-off match against Russia."
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Poland has refused to play a World Cup play-off match against Russia next month because of the Ukraine invasion, according to the Polish FA.

The association's president, Cezary Kulesza, said on Twitter: "In light of the escalation of the Russian Federation's aggression against Ukraine, the Polish national team is not going to play a match against Russian Republic."

Kulesza said the Polish FA was in talks with its Swedish and Czech counterparts regarding play-off games set for March to fill a slot for the World Cup.

He said: "No more words, it's time to act."
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There was some suggestion that things like a sporting boycott might have more effect than other types of sanctions.
 
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