US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

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Oh my so a country that lost millions to fighting nazis. Is now a nazi supporter? Logic defies.
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To be fair they were pro Nazi until the Nazis attacked them. The Soviets even told Communist parties in France to not oppose the Germans. Russia was Axis until the Germans turned on them.
 
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Mirai said:
To be fair they were pro Nazi until the Nazis attacked them. The Soviets even told Communist parties in France to not oppose the Germans. Russia was Axis until the Germans turned on them.
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Sure that is before they took the most casualties of any nation in ww2 against nazi Germany. Changes thing would you not say?
 
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So did Ukraine... Am not sure you should be lecturing people on logic.
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The nazi idea is bollocks propaganda from both sides. It’s fashionable to through in nazi, when you disagree with a group or nation. Ask Canada. Etc.
 
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Russia’s invasion of Ukraine has profoundly shaken the world order (such as it is) and raised a host of questions about Putin’s endgame, the West’s response, the alternative courses that neither side took, and the consequences for Ukraine, Russia, and nearly everyplace else. In search of some preliminary answers, Prospect editor at large Harold Meyerson and managing editor Ryan Cooper talked to Anatol Lieven, senior research fellow on Russia and Europe at the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft and author of Ukraine and Russia: A Fraternal Rivalry. An edited transcript follows.

Harold Meyerson: What is Putin’s endgame, as far as you can discern it?

Anatol Lieven: Up to this morning, I would have said, on the basis of my conversations with people in Moscow, officials and former officials, that what they were going to do was take the Russian-speaking areas of the country in eastern and southern Ukraine and then, basically, offer to reunite Ukraine on the basis of federalism—in other words, basically propose the Minsk agreement for the Donbas, but into a kind of confederal state in which pro-Russian areas would have de facto control over Ukraine’s international alignment. And accompanying that with a treaty of neutrality. Now—and I think it’s still too early to say for sure—but after Putin’s speech and given what looked like Russian moves towards Kyiv, it may well be that they want more than that, they want to replace the government in Kyiv with a pro-Russian government.

Putin’s talk about denazification, demilitarization, punishment of Ukrainian criminals points in that direction, and the fact that they seem to have crossed the border on the ground from Belarus heading for Kyiv. The Russian bombardments, of course, extend across the whole of Ukraine, but that’s what you would have expected, a classic military offensive to knock out the military infrastructure through air power and missiles. But in the end, the political fate of Ukraine will be determined by what territory the Russian army occupies on the ground.
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Worse Than a Crime; It’s a Blunder

Anatol Lieven on the meaning and consequences of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine and the West’s response
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Sure that is before they took the most casualties of any nation in ww2 against nazi Germany. Changes thing would you not say?
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Does it? So if the Germans did not attack them they would support the Nazi murder machine. You do know they turned communist dissidents and Jews and sent them back to Nazi Germany?
 
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Does it? So if the Germans did not attack them they would support the Nazi murder machine. You do know they turned communist dissidents and Jews and sent them back to Nazi Germany?
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I am guessing you are Jewish as you got your back up. Fact is, they lost millions fighting nazis Germany.

What value would they get supporting nazis?
 
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Russian APC out of fuel. Ukrainian stops and they banter.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/t1scl1

Translation: Soldiers say they are out of gas. Driver offers to tow them back to russia. Everyone laughs. Russian soldiers ask for news on how they are doing in war. Driver tell them that Ukraine is winning, russians are surrendering and impliest that they should too.
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s0lar said:
Oh my so a country that lost millions to fighting nazis. Is now a nazi supporter? Logic defies.
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There y'all Putin throne-sniffers go again, deflecting blame from your Daddy Vladdy.

Putin backs whoever suits Putin's purpose in the west... The end always justifies the means.

Your naivete is adorable 'tho.
 
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greg0205 said:
There y'all Putin throne-sniffers go again, deflecting blame from your Daddy Vladdy.

Putin backs whoever suits Putin's purpose in the west... The end always justifies the means.

Your naivete is adorable 'tho.
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Hey man. I am trying to be objective here and perhaps learn something. If you have nothing to contribute then don’t post.
 
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Mirai said:
Russians run out of fuel, Ukrainian asks if he can give them a lift back to Russia.
Laughter follows. Why are these people fighting each other, again?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1497485623225200640
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There a couple of videos which shows captured soldiers being interrogated and they all say they were not aware that this is what they were going to do. The one soldier said they were never told they were going to have to kill civilians nor bomb places like Kyiv etc.

Its footage is obviously not authenticated but if true it would explain the response of the soldiers in this video.
 
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