US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

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s0lar

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They joined in 2004 and the USSR fell in 1991
I personally don’t know the exact dates.

Fact is from a national security standpoint factoring the current Estonian and Latvian pinch point and size of the border it’s “manageable “. Ever increasing border increasingly hard to defend against NATO. As a result that is a security threat.
 

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Time = distance divided by speed

Apply that to a missile/nuke heading at Moscow & i think you may find some answer laying there.
More distance = more warning
NATO is a defensive alliance, they have never shown any aggression towards Russia.
 

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France seizes Russian-flagged cargo ship over suspected sanctions breach​

French authorities seized a Russian-flagged commercial ship Saturday in the English Channel, a spokesperson for the French Channel Prefecture told CNN.

The Russian-flagged "Baltic Leader" -- a commercial vessel carrying cars -- was stopped by French officials in the Channel and re-routed to the port of Boulogne, the spokesperson said.

Customs officials have begun inspections of the vessel, which is suspected of belonging to a company targeted by European sanctions against Russia over its invasion of Ukraine, the spokesperson said. An investigation by French customs has been opened.

Source: CNN
 

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NATO is a defensive alliance, they have never shown any aggression towards Russia.
Yeah no. The US likes to export democracy to countries around the world.

Like Ukraine in 2014. And all the rest.
 

s0lar

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NATO is a defensive alliance, they have never shown any aggression towards Russia.
Oh no, You conveniently forget? Or actually just not aware when NATO went on the offensive bombing campaign in Yugoslavia unprovoked and without any NATO member being threatened.

Amnesty International released a report which stated that NATO forces had deliberately targeted a civilian object (NATO bombing of the Radio Television of Serbia headquarters), and had bombed targets at which civilians were certain to be killed

William Blum wrote that "Nobody has ever suggested that Serbia had attacked or was preparing to attack a member state of NATO, and that is the only event which justifies a reaction under the NATO treaty."[225]

NATO the defensive good guys. Yep, too much CNN and Twitter there bud.
 

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Oh no, You conveniently forget? Or actually just not aware when NATO went on the offensive bombing campaign in Yugoslavia unprovoked and without any NATO member being threatened.
'Tsek with facts. They won't listen.
 

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Yeah no. The US likes to export democracy to countries around the world.

Like Ukraine in 2014. And all the rest.

What aggression has Ukraine from 2014 on, shown to the Russian Federation?

None.
 

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Oh no, You conveniently forget? Or actually just not aware when NATO went on the offensive bombing campaign in Yugoslavia unprovoked and without any NATO member being threatened.





NATO the defensive good guys. Yep, too much CNN and Twitter there bud.

Well Russia killed how many civilians in Chechnya?
And then Georgia?
And now Ukraine?

And Russian actions in Syria?

Hmmm?
 

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A curfew will be in place in Kyiv from 5pm tonight.

The order to stay at home will last until 8am on Sunday, city mayor Vitali Klitschko said. Anyone outside will be arrested, according to reports.

In a highly ominous development CNN has posted footage from inside Russia of a T0S-1 heavy flamethrower system being deployed towards the Ukrainian border on a flat bed truck.

The TOs-1 is a missile system mounted on a T-72 tank chassis which fires thermobaric rockets and was first used during the Soviet war in Afghanistan and was also used more recently in Syria.

Source: The Guardian
 

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What aggression has Ukraine from 2014 on, shown to the Russian Federation?

None.
How about putting into legislation the "central goal" of becoming a NATO member when Russia highlighted the security threat. All they asked is the majority of thweir border remain neutral.

Imagine if members of the old Warsaw pact setup shop on US borders.
 

s0lar

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Well Russia killed how many civilians in Chechnya?
And then Georgia?
And now Ukraine?

And Russian actions in Syria?

Hmmm?
Oh my. Do you really want to play the game with NATO member states? Let me know bro, I will happily google for you.

Fact is NATO has been offensive. So this nonsense of they are defensive only is bollocks.
 
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