US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

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Mirai said:
Why do I need a link? China has 1000s of years and they want peace and stability. They already told the Russians to cease fire. They want to sell to Russia and Ukraine.

Chinese don't like whites. They especially don't like poor whites. They also see themselves superior.
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So again you are making stuff up with no proof. Yeah all countries have asked for restraint, it's what they do in these situations, but China has strengthened their ties with Russia recently and that will soften the blows of any sanctions against them... FACTS! Facts seem to be a concept you really struggle with.
 
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Mirai said:
NATO is keeping peace in Europe. It has kept the Russians out and any rising German ambitions tempered. Others also want the Russians out and not want to be bullied by them.
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And now Germany will either take it over or it will disintegrate in impotence.

The old world is coming back and proving this "end of history" nonsense to be over.
 
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Mirai said:
So how many American soldiers do you think would be necessary to take Moscow? And no nuclear response?
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More than what is realistically possible.

I honestly don't think the US will ever try and occupy a country again, and certainly not a country that has parity with it. They'll just attempt to conventionally bomb and strike them in to submission.

Conventional explosives and incendiaries done more damage to Japan and Germany, and killed more people than the nukes did. An all-out assault of conventional missiles and B-52s dropping conventional munitions on a city would be horrific.

Folks must remember, since the end of WW2 the US has operated with restraint. The US held back on North Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan as neither were subjected to the all-out bombings Japan and Germany were subjected to, because the US didn't want to destroy those countries, they just wanted to take out the leadership, so while heavy, their bombardments were more surgical than had they tried to wipe them out. Given air superiority and the desire, there is no reason why they could not conventionally reduce a modern city to rubble.
 
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The Trutherizer said:
So on the East the US is considered a good neighbour next door? But in every other context it is the devil in Russian propaganda?
Sounds like some heavy mental gymnastics designed to convince stupid people to me.
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Expansion, existing status quo.
 
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Tun@ said:
NATO is just a mask for what the US wants to do & whilst i suspect this world could live together as one quite peacefully the US wants Russia & China contained & NATO is a tool for that. See AUKUS also.

NS2 but one example of the results.
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Yes, the US acts in their own interest. Still don't think they have any ambition to invade Russia.
 
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Norrad said:
So again you are making stuff up with no proof. Yeah all countries have asked for restraint, it's what they do in these situations, but China has strengthened their ties with Russia recently and that will soften the blows of any sanctions against them... FACTS! Facts seem to be a concept you really struggle with.
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What facts? That China and Russia co-operate. China and US co-operate. China and Taiwan actually co-operate. China and Japan co-operate. Did you see the Chinese sanctioning Russians already? Did you see that they told Russians to stop fighting. They are being careful but China always plays the long game and has no interest in being drawn into any conflicts. China copied Russian planes to build better ones. You think there is some Hollywood like alliance here? Also you quote NYT and we know there are some in Washington who want to hit China hard.

You show no facts. You show some link which mentions some agreements. Big deal. Countries have those all over the place. You show zero rationality and use of logic and you have zero knowledge of China and other similar countries.

You're clutching at straws. Provide some real facts. Tell me that China will support Russia militarily. Or they will block countries which are sanctioning Russia.

Are you some sort of link poster fetish guy?
 
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Kosmik said:
Yes but when did the vessel leave port or the transaction take place. If I read that correctly it was on its way out and seized in open sea?
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If it was in the English Channel, then its technically not open sea, its still territorial waters for either France or the UK.
 
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s0lar said:
Facts bud. We don’t need your hunches. Back it up.
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But you haven't provided facts.

I already posted a link where two Chinese state banks are sanctioning Russia and China told Putin to stop fighting. They also did not support them in the Security Council.

Can you read?
 
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Hungary latest country to back Russia being stopped from using Swift​

Hungary has said it supports Russia being shut off from the Swift cross-border financial payments system, according to Poland’s prime minister.

Mateusz Morawiecki said that he had spoken to Hungary’s prime minister Viktor Orbán on Saturday, where he had confirmed his support.
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Source: The Guardian
 
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Dude, China told Putin to stop fighting.

On Friday, Wang made clear that China supports Ukraine’s sovereignty and territorial integrity, adding that Beijing backs the interests of “small and medium-sized countries.” While taking some veiled shots at the US, the senior diplomat also called China a “responsible major country” — signalling that Beijing is concerned about how the Russian conflict might affect the reputation of the world’s second-biggest economy.

Find that link yourself, it's on bloomberg.

I see we have some people here who mine links and post them but don't comprehend what they mean.
 
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Mirai said:
Can you read?
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Ciao, enjoy joining a small but elite group on my ignore list. You side skirt any direct question and have no intentions to backup your claims. Then resort to insults. Aggg Shem.
 
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