US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

[Vrotappel]

Negotiations as per the numerous occasions Russia attempted to table in forum the NATO promises and security situation and was laughed at and called a tyrant.

What security situation??

 

[buka001]

I am in tears about this one, you clearly do not. Why are you arguing?

Ukraine has a land border with 4 NATO countries, so Putin invading Ukraine brings Russia closer to those 4 borders.

Hence the excuse that he doesn't want a NATO neighbour doesn't fly.

Since he stated he believes Ukraine is implicitly Russian and is now invading it, it certainly suggest he wishes Ukraine to be part of Russia.

What error in geography have I made?

 

[The Trutherizer]

China’s Xi Jinping stresses cooperation with North Korea’s Kim under ‘new situation’: state media​

China’s Xi Jinping stresses cooperation with North Korea’s Kim under ‘new situation’: state media

Chinese President Xi Jinping emphasized cooperation and friendship to North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in a message between the two countries, North Korean state media reported Saturday.

www.foxnews.com

Big trouble on the way for the whole world. Believe it or not, I do not care.

Trouble has been brewing for a long time. The irritating bit is the assumption that the entire world doesn't know it.

 

[s0lar]

So you'd be happy having your house and family as a neutral zone between two gangs, so if the aggresive one wants to wreck you you have no defence?

Why would Russia want to wreck a neutral nation. I mean really I am curious as to what you believe this war is about if you dont get that?

 

[Mirai]

no NATO member has ever directly engaged Russia in any war theatre

they're so unafraid they shy away from fights, even when Russia annexes Crimea, that's some convincing unafraidness

I'm not so sure if Russian mercs did not get taken out in Syria and the like. In Vietnam and Korea they did engage each other occasionally. Usually Americans won.

Turkey did engage that Russian fighter near its border. Russia then stopped flying near the Turkish border because Turkey would keep on shooting them down.

I don't know if you're being silly on purpose but NATO is a defensive pact. Ukraine is not a member. But if they were really scared, if Russia was in gamechanger mode, then they would stop supplying weapons openly to the Ukrainians.

As for the Ukrainians they had a long insurgency against the Soviets. That's Stalinist Soviets. Those guys who would shoot up a whole village for assisting the Ukrainians or relocate them. Cracking the Ukrainian nut may be tough. We already saw what the Afghani farmers did with those stingers.

 

[buka001]

Liz Truss says ‘nowhere left to hide’ for Putin allies – as it happened

Pipeline in Kharkiv and oil terminal in Vasylkiv believed hit as US, UK and EU move to exclude ‘selected’ banks from global payments system

www.theguardian.com

I called this out as a target for the Russians over a year ago. Very strategic for Crimea this.

 

[rietrot]

What's the alternative, just sit back and let the bad evil guy take over the world? We've seen that movie before.

Balance of power politics.

Russia cannot support a much larger territory. The USSR collapsed because it was to big.

Even the idea that Russia is trying to occupy Ukraine now is stupid.
Nobody is trying to take over the world.

 

[buka001]

Yet you are too afraid to put your neck out and state what you believe? This is your only post in this thread.

There are many valid reasons for not believing in US intelligence, especially when it comes to Russia.

And yet it was the Americans that said they would invade ...

I wonder who was right.

You certainly weren't.

 

[Mirai]

Trouble has been brewing for a long time. The irritating bit is the assumption that the entire world doesn't know it.

They've been co-operating always. China is the reason why North Korea exists.

 

[s0lar]

What security situation??

Please tell me youre kidding? I am getting rather tired of repeating myself.

 

[Speedster]

Why would Russia want to wreck a neutral nation. I mean really I am curious as to what you believe this war is about if you dont get that?

Imperial expansion. Glory of the motherland. Call it what you wish

 

[Vrotappel]

I only have two people on my ignore list. And this is why Mirai made the cut.

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Please add me ****er. You are supporting someone that is destroying the world. By justifying his actions you are supporting him.

 

[Vrotappel]

Why would Russia want to wreck a neutral nation. I mean really I am curious as to what you believe this war is about if you dont get that?

Putin's little boy dreams.

 

[Virex]

Just that they're not afraid.

Not afraid of being afraid?

 

[Vrotappel]

Please tell me youre kidding? I am getting rather tired of repeating myself.

Repeat yourself.

 

[Mirai]

Not afraid of being afraid?

Not afraid of provoking Russia.

 

[s0lar]

Please add me ****er. You are supporting someone that is destroying the world. By justifying his actions you are supporting him.

Sorry you see it that way. In my view NATO members have caused more death and war with "sovereign" states than Russia ever could bar a nuclear fallout. Which you support.

 

[Wut]

I only have two people on my ignore list. And this is why Mirai made the cut.

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Dudes a complete nutcase with zero facts, so I may have to do the same.

 

[s0lar]

Putin's little boy dreams.

Thanks for the meaningful debate.

 

[Cray]

Well. No one died right? Is it really worth killing someone over?

You said it yourself, the people in the wars tend to be forced into them.

Imagine yourself in said military vehicle, riding around the city for the past 2 hours trying to find your unit to know avail. You know full well that you're a massive target and likely expecting a missile on your head any second now. Personally I would likely be pretty scared, even terrified.

What are you in the military if you just leave that vehicle where it stands and walk away? What are the consequences?

My guess, driver likely immobilized the vehicle on purpose given that the last place he wanted to be was in that god damned thing.

Was it right?

No... But neither of those two victims actually want to be in this war do they? They are simply the cost...

No, there is a difference between not wanting to be in a war and acting with callous indifference to the safety of civilians when you are a soldier driving an armored vehicle. They might both be victims but soldiers in a natural position of power have a duty to treat civilians with respect even if they don't want to be in a war...

Hang him from the yard arm is a figure of speech, I don't mean I want the guy executed, I mean the guy should be made to pay for an act that put a civilian in danger for no reason.

All that assumes that what he did was intentional, after seeing another angle am not sure that's true...