US and NATO escalation of conflict with Russia is leading to war

[ScrooV]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1497610338744864770

 

[The Trutherizer]

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This pretty much sums up the world vs Russia at this moment in time...

Let's be clear here...

If anybody wants to make this about the world. And not just Russia and Ukraine...
Let's take NATO (even though it's not the full extent of Western alliances and strategic partner countries)

NATO is the de facto most powerful military alliance in the world.
People love to talk about how China has the biggest military this , Russian nukes that...

But NATO. Has 3.5 active military personnel. Well equipped, well trained, and if we're talking special forces of every kind, then the rest of the world can go home.
A single one of NATO's members, the US, has greater military expenditure than the next 9 highest spending countries combined. The latter including some other NATO counties. Russia and China.
When it comes to nukes. Between Russia+China and NATO it's basically even Stevens.
More ships, planes, tanks, missiles, munitions altogether than they know what to do with.
NATO has stronger diplomatic ties than any other alliance in the world.
A shared history of mutual protection.
Combined economic power that makes the rest of the world look like chump change, even including China.

And. If we are to truly consider the world perspective.
NATO is not alone.

 

[Mirai]

NATO has in the past attacked a non member when none of its members were threatened. Enough for you?

For onlookers it was limited strikes. Let's compare this to how Russia dealt with Chechnya.

Head of the Chechen Republic, member of the Supreme Council of the United Russia party, Hero of the Russian Federation - Ramzan Kadyrov said: «we lost 300,000 people».[27]

Any rational person would invite NATO and want that sort of policing if genocide broke out instead of the Russian version where in Afghanistan and in Chechnya so many civilians lost their lives.

But guess what, once you're in NATO, they also don't attack you. And you can't on your own attack others.

Russia is big. Nobody wants to storm it. It has plenty of nukes. It can destroy any threat if it becomes existential. People respect that. And Russia should just leave it at that. They earned that privilege by stealing the bomb from the Americans and then having their people and satellites lead sh-tty lives so they could have a biiig army.

 

[s0lar]

But they where not obligated to as part of their treaty, and the fact that they where trying to prevent a genocide means nothing to you?

Conveniently edited out my comment about manufactured concent.

What stoped that being manufactured again? Just have a neutral zone. Its best for peace for all.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

Has Russia ever engaged a NATO member in any war theater?

your point?

mutual fear/respect is what balance is all about, NATO has been upsetting that balance since inception

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

So already I told you that Serbia and not Yugoslavia was committing acts which got their leadership prosecuted for war crimes. NATO had to step in and stop them

and Ukraine has been committing war crimes for 8 years in the Donbass, Russia had to step in and stop them

oops, now how will you counter that without being a complete hypocrite?

 

[Mirai]

your point?

mutual fear/respect is what balance is all about, NATO has been upsetting that balance since inception

But it doesn't have to be destruction because NATO doesn't want Russian land. NATO just wants to keep Russians out of Europe. What part of this don't you get?

Why is Russia thinking that the Belgians, Czechs, Romanians, Dutch etc want to storm them and take their Babushkas?

Paranoia.

Think for 5 seconds.

Russia just wants to dominate everyone around it to impose its will which will allow it to gloat at home and get benefits. Other people don't want that. NarrowBand is supportive of that.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

What threat is NATO to Russia?

you've never noticed how it allows anyone to join, except Russia?
you didn't know it was specifically created to counter the USSR?
you haven't noticed how it routinely issues threats specifically at Russia ... throwing around horseshyte press releases that a cyber attack can trigger article 5?

NATO exists to be a threat to Russia, this is elementary, not anyone's dreams, it is simple fact

 

[Mirai]

and Ukraine has been committing war crimes for 8 years in the Donbass, Russia had to step in and stop them

oops, now how will you counter that without being a complete hypocrite?

There are peaceful ways of doing this. War is a last resort. Stop justifying a war of aggression.

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

But it doesn't have to be destruction because NATO doesn't want Russian land. NATO just wants to keep Russians out of Europe. What part of this don't you get?

I don't get wtf you smoked to think Russia wants land, Russia wants NATO to respect its sovereignty, which includes not militarizing on its border

 

[Cray]

your point?

mutual fear/respect is what balance is all about, NATO has been upsetting that balance since inception

You said that NATO was scared because...

Just that the same exact point can be made about Russia.. Not very convincing.

 

[s0lar]

you've never noticed how it allows anyone to join, except Russia?
you didn't know it was specifically created to counter the USSR?
you haven't noticed how it routinely issues threats specifically at Russia ... throwing around horseshyte press releases that a cyber attack can trigger article 5?

NATO exists to be a threat to Russia, this is elementary, not anyone's dreams, it is simple fact

 

[Wut]

and Ukraine has been committing war crimes for 8 years in the Donbass, Russia had to step in and stop them

oops, now how will you counter that without being a complete hypocrite?

Dude it's only bad if Russia kills civilians. Keep up /s

Names of the children killed by Ukrainian shelling of Donbas in the first barrages of the conflict along with their ages:

 

[Cray]

Conveniently edited out my comment about manufactured concent.

How do you manufacture consent, please elaborate?

 

[NarrowBandFtw]

There are peaceful ways of doing this. War is a last resort.

yes, like the NATO "negotiations" since December, that would have been peaceful ... oh wait, the one side told the other side to get fahked instead

war is the last resort, you only realize now it took Russia 8 years to conclude it is at last resort stage?

Stop justifying a war of aggression.

stop pretending explanations are justifications, it's pathetic

 

[Mirai]

you've never noticed how it allows anyone to join, except Russia?

Because Russia is a huge country with a penchant for militarization and nukes and it has been also corrupting Europe from within, putting Europeans against each other. If they played fair, opened up, removed most of their arsenal and removed much of their weaponry maybe they'd be admitted. They must also not have any border disputes. They have such disputes.

you didn't know it was specifically created to counter the USSR?

Yes and Russia considers itself a successor of the USSR and is behaving like the USSR. Instead of being like say Switzerland or Czechia they are belligerent. Here we see why NATO is needed.

you haven't noticed how it routinely issues threats specifically at Russia ... throwing around horseshyte press releases that a cyber attack can trigger article 5?

NATO exists to be a threat to Russia, this is elementary, not anyone's dreams, it is simple fact

And we haven't heard threats of horrible things from Russia, ever?

This is just a statement to Russia to let them know they should be careful to not attack a NATO member. It's a good reminder because we don't want any mistakes to occur.

 

[s0lar]

How do you manufacture consent, please elaborate?

There were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq

1,625 UN and US inspectors spent two years searching 1,700 sites at a cost of more than $1bn. Yesterday they delivered their verdict.

www.theguardian.com

Good enough or should I break it down a bit more for you?

And a bonus for you:

Manufacturing Consent - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Mirai]

yes, like the NATO "negotiations" since December, that would have been peaceful ... oh wait, the one side told the other side to get fahked instead

war is the last resort, you only realize now it took Russia 8 years to conclude it is at last resort stage?


stop pretending explanations are justifications, it's pathetic

The pathetic party is one which justifies war. Sick.

 

[SeRpEnT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1497567016064266249

Check out that green screen behind her. I bet she is safe and sound in Hollywood!

 

[ScrooV]

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